You keep saying this like it changes everything. 

Most people do that. You've ignored a handful of things right in this very thread.

I didn't say only a few people support it. Few people would volunteer for it.

Take a different issue like public housing. There are tons of studies that show that we can save money by diverting police costs that go towards policing homeless people toward giving them homes, and actually save money in the process. People certainly could volunteer for more housing things, but it makes a lot more sense to have a public policy to divert less worthwhile funds towards it. That requires government support, not individual choices. 

Is there a source for the largest portion of student debt being from the university of Phoenix?

I see you are going to ignore being wrong with saying tuition average is 26k when it is 11k.  I always found it interesting when someone is clearly wrong but ignores it and doesn't own it.

I'm actually in favor of many social programs, like universal Healthcare.  Your view of me is wrong.  

Didn’t mean to ignore it, the conversation moved a lot by the time I saw your quote. Yes, room and board can make up a huge chunk of costs but room and board is a necessity for many students so it shouldn’t be outright disregarded. Not everybody lives close enough to a university or has access to reliable transportation in order to commute or has the money to rent a place close to campus, some people have abusive parents or get kicked out of the house when they turn 18, etc.

The problem is that you are generalizing an issue with a lot of nuance. Sure, a lot of people with student debt is a result of poor decisions but multiple users have provided a ton of examples of why some people may have student debt but you insist on acting like they are all lazy, idiots with a useless degree.

It’s very reminiscent of the abortion debate when people will say shit like, “if you didn’t want a baby then you should have kept your legs closed!” and ignore all the other various reasons that people get abortions.

I know you support universal healthcare, that’s why I brought it up. I’m saying that your argument of “I paid my student debt so others should too!” is the equivalent of elderly people saying “I had to wait until I was 65 to get Medicare so others should too!” in opposition to universal healthcare. It’s a fuck you, got mine mentality, I struggled to get where I am and you should too.

I also think it makes you a hypocrite. You don’t want to pay for other people’s education because they made poor decisions and believe in personal responsibility but you are fine with paying for people’s healthcare, many of which made poor decisions. Why are you ok with paying for the healthcare of a person who smoked for 40 years and now has lung cancer or the morbidly obese person who has diabetes or the alcoholic who got in a car wreck or the drug addict who overdosed or the idiot who injured themselves doing something reckless or that Covid denying, antivaxxer who is on a breathing machine. Why should our hard earned tax dollars go towards these people who need healthcare as a direct result of poor life decisions, shouldn’t we only have to take care of the people who live a healthy lifestyle?

To summarize, I think you’re a hypocrite and have a case of fuck you, got mine.

I'm 100% pro choice.  Their body, their choice.  To me healthcare and college are apples and oranges.  Everyone needs healthcare, not everyone needs college.  I just think trades are grossly underrated.  I think, just my opinion, we should move away from guilting people into going to college.  

And yeah, 6 years of college and 19 years of work...  yeah, I have that attitude.  I'll accept that.

I still think the larger issue is predatory profit schools that are a giant scam.  

I’m not saying you aren’t pro-choice, I’m saying that your argument against higher education is very reminiscent to other people’s arguments towards abortion or healthcare.

Sure, higher education and healthcare aren’t the same but I think it’s a valid comparison when your argument is about poor choices, a lot of people have health issues as a direct result of poor choices so why are you ok with subsidizing them?

I’m not saying you aren’t pro-choice, I’m saying that your argument against higher education is very reminiscent to other people’s arguments towards abortion or healthcare.

Sure, higher education and healthcare aren’t the same but I think it’s a valid comparison when your argument is about poor choices, a lot of people have health issues as a direct result of poor choices so why are you ok with subsidizing them?

I'm curious since we are drawing parallels, what are your thoughts on Legal vs Illegal immigration?  This question is for either of you and does tie into administrative policy differences between the two candidates.

I'm curious since we are drawing parallels, what are your thoughts on Legal vs Illegal immigration?  This question is for either of you and does tie into administrative policy differences between the two candidates.

That was actualy what I was hoping you would do. The WHO is a a private corporation. They are funded primarily by the United States and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. They actually changed the definition of a pandemic in 2009:

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/09/health/09docs.html

Didn’t mean to ignore it, the conversation moved a lot by the time I saw your quote. Yes, room and board can make up a huge chunk of costs but room and board is a necessity for many students so it shouldn’t be outright disregarded. Not everybody lives close enough to a university or has access to reliable transportation in order to commute or has the money to rent a place close to campus, some people have abusive parents or get kicked out of the house when they turn 18, etc.

The problem is that you are generalizing an issue with a lot of nuance. Sure, a lot of people with student debt is a result of poor decisions but multiple users have provided a ton of examples of why some people may have student debt but you insist on acting like they are all lazy, idiots with a useless degree.

It’s very reminiscent of the abortion debate when people will say shit like, “if you didn’t want a baby then you should have kept your legs closed!” and ignore all the other various reasons that people get abortions.

I know you support universal healthcare, that’s why I brought it up. I’m saying that your argument of “I paid my student debt so others should too!” is the equivalent of elderly people saying “I had to wait until I was 65 to get Medicare so others should too!” in opposition to universal healthcare. It’s a fuck you, got mine mentality, I struggled to get where I am and you should too.

I also think it makes you a hypocrite. You don’t want to pay for other people’s education because they made poor decisions and believe in personal responsibility but you are fine with paying for people’s healthcare, many of which made poor decisions. Why are you ok with paying for the healthcare of a person who smoked for 40 years and now has lung cancer or the morbidly obese person who has diabetes or the alcoholic who got in a car wreck or the drug addict who overdosed or the idiot who injured themselves doing something reckless or that Covid denying, antivaxxer who is on a breathing machine. Why should our hard earned tax dollars go towards these people who need healthcare as a direct result of poor life decisions, shouldn’t we only have to take care of the people who live a healthy lifestyle?

To summarize, I think you’re a hypocrite and have a case of fuck you, got mine.