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‘Extremist settlers undermining security and stability,’ UK’s Cameron says

British Foreign Secretary David Cameron says Israel’s “extremist settlers are undermining security and stability and threatening prospects for peace” in Palestine.

His statement came after the UK announced the new sanctions that we reported on earlier against several groups and individuals behind the violence against Palestinians in the region.

“This latest package of sanctions targets two groups leading these attacks and four individuals who are directly responsible for egregious violence against Palestinian civilians,” Cameron said.

The four individuals named by the UK government included Noam Federman, a “radical settler activist”, and Neria Ben Pazi, who is said to be responsible for “illegally constructing three illegal outposts”, according to a UK government statement

Federman’s son Ely Federman was among four people the UK sanctioned in February. Also named was Eden Levi, who the ministry accused of taking part in “assaults and intimidation of Palestinians as part of a wider intimidation campaign to drive their population out of the area”. The fourth individual was Elisha Yered, accused of “inciting religious hatred and violence”.

The two groups named were Hilltop Youth and Lehava, which the EU has also placed on its blacklist.

Don't leave out Ben-Gvir and Smotrich
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-ben-gvir-ally-former-mk-aide-among-targets-of-latest-us-and-eu-settler-sanctions/

How Lehava recruits activists and fights relationships between Jews and Arabs

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2018-12-15/ty-article-magazine/.premium/inside-israeli-movement-fighting-jewish-arab-intermarriage/0000017f-dece-d3ff-a7ff-ffee3f8b0000

May 2022: Gantz: Lehava, La Familia should be defined as terrorist organizations

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-708070



Calls for international oversight of Israeli prisons after doctor’s killing

Four prominent Palestinian human rights organisations have expressed “deep dismay” after renowned orthopaedic surgeon Adnan al-Barash was killed in an Israeli prison. Addameer, Al Mezan, Al-Haq and the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights said the doctor’s arrest and killing fall within a pattern of Israeli abuse of incarcerated Palestinians.

“Our organisations can confirm that he was killed while being held in Ofer Prison, an Israeli detention facility in the occupied West Bank operated by the Israeli Prison Services. His body remains withheld by Israeli authorities.”

They also called on the international community to take “immediate and concrete action” to ensure investigative access to Israeli prisons and detention centres, where many Palestinians have been tortured and killed.

Palestinian authorities and prisoner groups said Dr al-Barash was taken by Israeli soldiers in December from al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza and died on April 19.



Palestinian employee of German development agency ‘abused’ in Israeli jail

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/3/palestinian-employee-of-german-development-agency-abused-in-israeli-jail

Berlin, Germany – A Palestinian employee of Germany’s state-funded development agency has been imprisoned in Israel for more than a month, where she has been beaten and subject to abusive and humiliating treatment, her family members and lawyer say.

Baraa Odeh, 34, works for the German Agency for International Cooperation (GIZ), and was detained by Israeli border guards on March 5 while returning to her home in Ramallah from a work trip to Germany.

Mahmoud Hassan, a lawyer for Odeh who has spoken to her in prison, said she has been physically assaulted and subject to inhumane conditions.


Baraa Odeh, 34, was detained by Israeli forces on March 5



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Body of Israeli previously presumed a captive is found

An Israeli citizen who was previously believed to have been kidnapped by Hamas on October 7 has been declared dead after his body was found in Israeli territory.

The Israeli military said on X that the death of Elyakim Libman was confirmed based on “findings that were identified following a complex investigation” carried out by the army, police, forensic authorities and the Health Ministry.

The victim’s family has been informed. Libman reportedly was working as a security guard at the Supernova desert dance party on October 7.



It took 6 months to determine that? That doesn't bode well for finding and identifying missing civilians in Gaza buried under collapsed buildings.

 

US military says pier construction halted, moved to Israel due to bad sea conditions

The US Central Command (CENTCOM) says soldiers “temporarily paused” the offshore assembly of a floating pier they’ve been building for weeks to get more aid to Gaza because of unsafe sea conditions.

“The partially built pier and military vessels involved in its construction have moved to the Port of Ashdod, where assembly will continue, and will be completed prior to the emplacement of the pier in its intended location when sea states subside.”

The US military said once fully constructed, the pier will allow “the delivery of large quantities of humanitarian aid from ship to shore by truck, with vehicles driving directly off ships and across the temporary pier to a marshaling yard ashore”.

International aid organisations and say deliveries by land are by far the most effective way to get humanitarian relief to besieged Palestinians.



Hmm, how do you unload cargo in rough seas at a floating pier in the middle of open sea. Doesn't look like it will become a steady stream of aid if weather is an issue.



Israel accused of not meeting aid obligations in Gaza

Gisha and four other Israeli non-profit organisations have petitioned the Supreme Court demanding the government specify what measures it’s taking to step up aid deliveries to Gaza, where the United Nations warns famine looms.

“It is inconceivable that the respondents, who admit to not having even the faintest idea about the extent of the aid required for residents of the Gaza Strip, are claiming that they have fulfilled their obligations – and even beyond,” a joint statement said.

Food shortages inside Gaza indicated “the respondents are not meeting their obligations, not to the required extent nor at the necessary speed”.

Following an initial hearing last month, the court asked the government to answer follow-up questions before a new hearing scheduled for Sunday. In an update provided to the court this week, the government maintained relief efforts to Gaza went “above and beyond” its obligations.

Israel claims ‘great surge’ in Gaza aid, countering UN criticism

The Israeli military says it “saw a great surge in the amount of humanitarian aid going into Gaza” in April, shortly after the UN’s World Health Organization (WHO) had said the situation is now only “slightly better”.

“We’ve said it the whole time – there is no limit to the amount of aid that can be facilitated into Gaza, and the month of April proved it,” said the Israeli military’s Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), which is in charge of organising aid for Palestinians.

The Government Media Office in Gaza said Israel allowed in an average of 163 trucks per day in April, which is far below the 300 to 400 trucks touted by Israel and the US. The office says about 1,000 trucks per day is the answer to the urgent needs of besieged Palestinians.

They need 5 times as many trucks daily to reverse course, not 25% more. However it is slowly improving, stats from Januari 1st to May 3rd



Plus air drops continue as well. Every little bit helps, however inefficient and costly air drops are.



Israeli military held woman in Gaza to force brother’s surrender: Rights group

The Israeli army has held a Palestinian woman in Gaza for hours to force her brother to turn himself in, according to the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor. Enas Abu al-Moazza was travelling south towards Rafah with her husband, Palestinian photojournalist Muhammad al-Hajjar, and their children to eventually escape Gaza by moving abroad.

They were stopped at gunpoint at a checkpoint near the Netzarim Corridor, which the Israeli military has set up to separate northern and southern Gaza.

Al-Hajjar was driven away while al-Moazza was reportedly held until her 21-year-old brother surrendered. The family said her brother has no ties to armed or political groups.

“The Israeli army held al-Moazza for roughly 12 hours before seizing all of her belongings, including cash, gold and cell phones, and ultimately releasing her. She was given only her ID card,” the Geneva-based rights group said.

“Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor stresses that holding a person hostage to force their family member to ‘surrender’ is a war crime. Civilians should not be used as tools of war or put in danger during military operations.”



‘An entire family wiped out’

Gaza resident Sanaa Zoorob said her sister and six of her nieces and nephews were killed in an Israeli attack on Rafah. Two of the children “were found in pieces in their mother’s embrace”, she said.

One of the children was six years old and another was handicapped.

“An entire family wiped out. I just want to convey a message – what is the fault of these children? What have they done to have their building bombed by three rockets? These children were sleeping. Their remains were collected in one bag,” said Zoorob.

She appealed for “a permanent ceasefire and a full withdrawal from Gaza” of Israeli troops.

Israeli raid targets home in central Gaza

Our Al Jazeera Arabic reporter in Gaza says an Israeli air strike destroyed a house in the Maghazi camp. Some of the most intense Israeli raids in the nearly seven-month-long war have taken place in central Gaza. Maghazi camp, specifically, has come under attack several times over the last few months.




Palestinian family forced by Israel to demolish shops in occupied East Jerusalem

Israeli authorities have reportedly forced a Palestinian family to demolish three shops they owned for decades in the town of Silwan in occupied East Jerusalem.

The Israeli municipality in the area ruled the stores must be destroyed because they were built without a permit, the Wafa news agency quoted Yassin Qaraeen, a family member, as saying.

The shops were there for more than 30 years and the family had to demolish the businesses themselves in order to avoid paying heavy fines to the municipality if it carried out the process, said Qaraeen.






Houthis say ‘millions’ march again in Yemen in support of Gaza, military ops

Houthi-run media have released images from another weekly march in Yemen, saying “millions” of people again took to the streets to express solidarity with Palestinians.

The al-Masirah broadcaster also reported demonstrators announced their support for more naval operations by Houthi forces, which said they will extend their attacks to all ships linked with Israeli ports if Israel launches a ground invasion of Rafah in southern Gaza.




‘Only violence we’ve seen has been against college encampments’: CAIR

Ahmed Rehab, the executive director of the US-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, weighed in on the debate on violence at pro-Palestinian protests on college campuses across the United States.

“The only violence we have seen has been violence against encampments, whether by pro-Israeli mobs at UCLA – as was widely reported – or by the police who come in a militarised fashion,” he said in an announcement from Chicago.


Gaza protesters win concessions at Goldsmiths University of London

Samira Ali, a pro-Palestine demonstrator at Goldsmiths University of London, says school administrators agreed to review investments with Israeli companies in exchange for her group ending the occupation of several buildings in protest of the war on Gaza.

“Another good thing we won, we were occupying the media office at Goldsmiths and they agreed to rename it after Shireen Abu Akleh. To have that recognition of a Palestinian journalist murdered by the Israeli military is something we’re really proud of,” Ali said.

Abu Akleh, a longtime correspondent with Al Jazeera, was killed two years ago by an Israeli soldier while covering a raid in the occupied West Bank. The soldier has never been held accountable for the killing.

How serious are US universities about divesting from Israel?

A small number of US universities and school leaders struck deals with pro-Palestinian protesters, fending off possible disruptions of final exams and graduation ceremonies. The agreements at schools – including Brown, Northwestern and Rutgers – stand out amid the chaotic scenes and 2,400-plus arrests on 46 campuses across the nation since April 17.

Deals included commitments by universities to review their investments in Israel or hear calls to stop doing business there. Many protester demands have zeroed in on links to the Israeli military as the war grinds on in Gaza.

The agreements to even discuss divestment mark a major step on an issue that has been controversial for years. But some analysts are sceptical.

“I think for some universities, it might be just a delaying tactic to defuse the protests,” said Ralph Young, a history professor at Temple University in Philadelphia. “The end of the semester is happening now. And maybe by the time the next semester begins, there is a ceasefire in Gaza.”



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US diplomat who quit over Biden administration’s Gaza policy speaks out

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/politics/hala-rharrit-us-diplomat-biden-gaza/index.html

Hala Rharrit never expected that she would choose to leave her career as a US diplomat.

She had spent her “entire adult life” at the State Department having joined the foreign service in 2006, raising her hand for one of the toughest postings — Yemen — for her first assignment and going on to serve in places like Hong Kong, Qatar and South Africa. About a year and a half ago, after mostly behind-the-scenes roles, Rharrit became an Arab language spokesperson for the State Department.

“I had full intentions of continuing on in my career until I reached senior levels. I never had the intention of resigning,” she told CNN.


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Rharrit told CNN that she and her colleagues were “horrified” by the Hamas terrorist attacks on October 7, which triggered the war in Gaza.

“Everyone was sort of bracing themselves, ‘Oh, my goodness, what’s going to happen next?’” Rharrit recounted. She said they “knew obviously there was going to be a forceful reaction, but I don’t think anyone predicted the outcome would be 34,000 killed, famine conditions.”



Rharrit told CNN there wasn’t one particular incident that prompted her to resign, but rather the cumulative build-up of events throughout the war — and the growing sense of that her warnings about “destabilizing” policy were going unheeded.

“I’m fundamentally concerned that we’re on the wrong side of history and we are hurting our interests,” she said, referring to the Biden administration’s strong backing for Israel in the war with Hamas.

Rharrit also pointed to a “double standard” in US policy around the effects of the war, including the humanitarian crisis and the deaths of Palestinian journalists in Gaza.

“As the United States we have to stand on our principles. We cannot make exceptions. Our allies and our adversaries are watching and it is hurting us as a nation,” Rharrit explained. “It was just one devastating frustration after another. I just kept on hoping until finally I was just like, I think I need to start planning. I don’t think things are going to get any better.”

 

As a spokesperson, Rharrit was tasked with presenting the US policy on the war to an Arabic-speaking audience, but from the outset, she said, the talking points were sharply distant from the images that audience was seeing on a daily basis, she explained.

Those talking points “focused towards a domestic US audience,” she said, and she warned the State Department that they would spark backlash and “be seen as dehumanizing to Palestinians.”

“That’s indeed what we saw. Through polls, we saw just growing anti-Americanism, our favorability plummet across the entire region, in countries where we had great relations,” Rharrit said.

 

Divided views within the department

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/politics/state-department-israel-gaza-international-law-us-weapons/index.html

continued here https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/03/politics/hala-rharrit-us-diplomat-biden-gaza/index.html









Jaicee said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

As a writer and basically a rep here I've shut myself out from the politics side of this site (and likely still won't check it much), but I can't help but wonder what y'all think of the recent so-called "antisemitism" bill passing the house in the US in response to the protests (and occasional brawls). I'm actually more on the pro-Israel side (not so much with the governments but moreso when it comes to the protestors involved - and more I'm non-interventionist as a whole so somewhat neutral if anything), but I find this a scary slippery slope to say the least, as a huge advocate of the 1st Amendment. Thankfully it'll likely be shot down by either the senate or SCOTUS for being unconstitutional..

I'm pretty much in your camp, I think. Since this apparently needs to be said anymore, I feel that the October 7th terrorist massacre and mass rape rampage was a bad thing that shouldn't have happened and find it astonishing that one actually has to say that because it's a contested opinion. And yes, I actually do think that that merited a serious military response. And no, I don't think walling off the Gaza Strip was an irrational response to the election and seizure of power there by a known anti-Semitic terrorist organization. I'm boring that way. Likewise, I can figure out and sympathize with the mindset that goes along with being outnumbered 30 to 1 by mostly hostile Arabs and Muslims in the region. It's definitely Jewish people that are much closer to extinction than Arabs, Muslims, or ethnic Palestinians for that matter. There are literally still fewer Jews in the world today than before the Holocaust. They still haven't recovered from that in population terms and, owing to lower birth rates, are shrinking as a population share both in the region and even within Israeli territorial borders.

None of that justifies the wildly disproportionate military response that we've seen. They've made their point, gotten their revenge, all that sort of thing many times over now. It's time to give it a rest! Seriously, the human cost of defeating Hamas is much too high and there is no serious plan for what happens after that. What happens after that sounds to me like what happened to us in Iraq or Afghanistan. They're making the same mistakes that we did after 9/11 and there seems to be no stopping the current regime in that regard. Well that is judgment they will have to live with. For a very, very long time to come. Netanyahu may think this war is nearly over, mission accomplished, but it's only just begun. My only hope lies in the fact that polls show the Israelis overwhelmingly want a new election some time this year and that someone other than Netanyahu is (finally!) widely expected to win in such a vote. In the meanwhile, I'm with the "Bring Them Home Now!" protesters ideologically. The path out of this mess is a negotiated resolution to the conflict that exchanges the surviving hostages for a withdrawal of the remaining Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip. That probably won't happen, but I agree with those who think that it should.

As to the matter of the protests, like you, I'm in favor of free speech. Not a big fan of the jihadist and pro-genocide slogans and chants that I'm hearing or the speeches defending "the heroic actions of October the 7th", people proclaiming their loyalty to Hamas and Islamic Jihad and such. Those are not anti-war demonstrators. They are something else that I have much less respect for.  It feels like the actual anti-war protesters are in the minority of what we're seeing here on American college campuses and I only hope that I'm wrong about that. At the same time though, I believe that people have a right to say repugnant things that I disagree with and think a better resolution than calling in the cops would be for more college administrators to consider options like holding votes on divestment from arms suppliers anyway, as some have agreed to do. As to the bill you're referencing, I can't disagree with its proposed definition of anti-Semitism, but like I said, I think people have a right to say repugnant things that I disagree with. I'm as worried about it actually becoming law though as I am about the new TikTok ban being enforced; i.e. I'm really not. It won't happen. (Next step for the TikTok ban is the Supreme Court on free speech grounds and TikTok will win.)

That's sort of my take in a nutshell.

Inter-dasting. Yeah, it's a tricky situation. Like, that initial Oct 7th attack was obviously horrible, but now it seems like Israel has gone overboard in their response and are massively losing the optics war currently, especially to the younger voters who HUGELY favor Palestine. I feel for the Palestinian people who have had their lands decimated at this point, though - it probably doesn't need to be said - very much NOT pro-Hamas. And that includes protestors that side with Hamas.

I give a bit more leniency to Israel in a sense too, being essentially the only Jewish state (and a small one) in a sea of larger nations surrounding them, some of them hostile to them. And I also certainly don't think that means they should be hauling off and basically occupying what remains of Gaza, and bombing 10s of thousands of innocents just because they're in the wrong country, for sure. 

I'm typically more knowledgable and passionate about the culture side of things vs straight-up politics, but this issue is starting to capture my interest somewhat, as it seems to be ballooning. Interesting that it's also causing a schism in both the left (Neolibs/older Dems who are more pro Israel vs far left who are mostly pro Palestine) and the right (MAGA/Populists who are mostly neutral/non-interventionist and Neocons who are almost all pro Israel)

Yeah that bill is super ambiguous and anti 1A, so very little chance it survives thankfully. 



 

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DarthMetalliCube said:

Inter-dasting. Yeah, it's a tricky situation. Like, that initial Oct 7th attack was obviously horrible, but now it seems like Israel has gone overboard in their response and are massively losing the optics war currently, especially to the younger voters who HUGELY favor Palestine. I feel for the Palestinian people who have had their lands decimated at this point, though - it probably doesn't need to be said - very much NOT pro-Hamas. And that includes protestors that side with Hamas.

I give a bit more leniency to Israel in a sense too, being essentially the only Jewish state (and a small one) in a sea of larger nations surrounding them, some of them hostile to them. And I also certainly don't think that means they should be hauling off and basically occupying what remains of Gaza, and bombing 10s of thousands of innocents just because they're in the wrong country, for sure. 

I'm typically more knowledgable and passionate about the culture side of things vs straight-up politics, but this issue is starting to capture my interest somewhat, as it seems to be ballooning. Interesting that it's also causing a schism in both the left (Neolibs/older Dems who are more pro Israel vs far left who are mostly pro Palestine) and the right (MAGA/Populists who are mostly neutral/non-interventionist and Neocons who are almost all pro Israel)

Yeah that bill is super ambiguous and anti 1A, so very little chance it survives thankfully. 

I hear you. The whole situation disgusts me. It's time for this to end. It's time for everyone to get more reasonable and work out a diplomatic solution because there isn't another one. Realistically though, I think the region is headed straight for another years-long cycle of violence. Ugh.

On the protests, it looks like I'm more sympathetic and nuanced toward the pro-Palestinian protesters than most of the public. Did you see that recent Morning Consult poll on the subject? Apparently 76% of Americans (including 75% of Democrats) support the decision of many colleges and universities to call the cops in and nearly half think participants should be banned from campus entirely (compared to less than one-third who feel otherwise) and 41% also feel that pro-Israeli demonstrators should also be banned from campus. I get the sense from these numbers that the public is no mood to recreate '68 (or respect people's freedom of speech). I guess part of me can relate to the sense of exhaustion that's likely behind that sentiment, honestly. I can't disagree with the sentiment that basic human decency does not prevail on either side. I am tired of reading stories like this. I'm tired of hearing demands that university presidents resign over student protests. And I am tired of hearing stories of protesters demanding to know whether passers-by speak Hebrew and holding signs with crossed-out stars of David, stuff like this. I guess that's not surprising considering that it is a war that's being fought over (so to speak). It is disappointing though.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 04 May 2024