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Soundwave said:
h2ohno said:

I agree with the bold part.  While higher resolutions are nice and a consistent framerate is vital for gameplay, when it comes to the actual graphics it's the assets themselves that really matter to me.  I'd rather see improved base assets than a jump to 4k or 120 fps.

When it comes to the Switch 2, the main thing I want to see is a generational leap over the current Switch.  I want to see Mario look a generation above Odessey, Zelda a generation above Tears of the Kingdom, Metroid a generation above Prime Remastered, etc.  In addition, I want the 3rd party ports to be as high quality as the Switch ports of Doom, Doom Eternal, Witcher 3, Nier Automata, Crysis, Persona 5, etc.  If it has to top out at 1080p to do that I don't care.

It's not like you get nothing out the trade off on a hybrid. The huge addition is you're getting a portable version of every game that you can play anywhere you want. 

Frankly, that's a much bigger deal to a lot of people than having a resolution bump + 60 fps. 

Want proof? Anyone dumb enough to claim a Switch that was not a hybrid but could run all its games like BOTW at 1440p + 60 fps would sell anywhere close to the current Switch? 

It wouldn't. It probably would have trouble selling even over 20 million units instead of the 150+ million the Switch is going to finish at. A lot more people are interested in a Breath of the Wild at 900p + 30 fps AND portable + home play versus a version that would be maybe 1440p + 60 fps but losing the portability. 

There's no game I've ever played in my life that was ugly or not fun to play at 1080p + 30 fps that suddenly became good looking and fun to play at 1440p + 60 fps. 

It's a nice to have. It's not a generational shift or even close to that though. And also funny how we don't have every PS5 thread flooded with people saying the 4090 is a much, much better piece of hardware and you shouldn't enjoy PS5 games because they can't possibly run as well as they could on a 4090 and PS5 is clearly a generation behind a 4090, etc. etc. etc. Every game on the PS5 that's available on PC, a 4090 can run it at a better resolution and better frame rate than a PS5, but no one seems compelled to have to put that into every PS5 discussion. Interesting how the gate keeping only applies to one console and one console only. 

Probably because nobody in a ps5 thread would be ridiculous enough to claim the ps5 is the same hardware class as the 4090.

And nobody is saying people shouldn't enjoy switch games.  

The only dispute is if S2 is the same class as the ps5....  the answer is, no.  

And if 1080p 30 fps at lower settings is acceptable and graphics performance doesn't matter ....  why do you insist that the S2 will be ps5?  Shouldn't you not care?  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 13 February 2024

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Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

It's not like you get nothing out the trade off on a hybrid. The huge addition is you're getting a portable version of every game that you can play anywhere you want. 

Frankly, that's a much bigger deal to a lot of people than having a resolution bump + 60 fps. 

Want proof? Anyone dumb enough to claim a Switch that was not a hybrid but could run all its games like BOTW at 1440p + 60 fps would sell anywhere close to the current Switch? 

It wouldn't. It probably would have trouble selling even over 20 million units instead of the 150+ million the Switch is going to finish at. A lot more people are interested in a Breath of the Wild at 900p + 30 fps AND portable + home play versus a version that would be maybe 1440p + 60 fps but losing the portability. 

There's no game I've ever played in my life that was ugly or not fun to play at 1080p + 30 fps that suddenly became good looking and fun to play at 1440p + 60 fps. 

It's a nice to have. It's not a generational shift or even close to that though. And also funny how we don't have every PS5 thread flooded with people saying the 4090 is a much, much better piece of hardware and you shouldn't enjoy PS5 games because they can't possibly run as well as they could on a 4090 and PS5 is clearly a generation behind a 4090, etc. etc. etc. Every game on the PS5 that's available on PC, a 4090 can run it at a better resolution and better frame rate than a PS5, but no one seems compelled to have to put that into every PS5 discussion. Interesting how the gate keeping only applies to one console and one console only. 

Probably because nobody in a ps5 thread would be ridiculous enough to claim the ps5 is the same hardware class as the 4090.

And nobody is saying people shouldn't enjoy switch games.  

The only dispute is if S2 is the same class as the ps5....  the answer is, no.  

Nobody goes into PS5 threads to tout the 4090's superiority because they have a life. 

It's only done for one console and one console only and no one has claimed literally 100% equivalent performance ever between Switch 2 and next-gen consoles. Everyone knows there is a trade off but there is a significant upside for that trade off too, the upside being you get a fully portable experience on top of a home experience. 

How many PS5 threads have someone coming into them and stating for no real particular reason that they own a 4090 and cannot stand to play at game below 90 fps or that no PS5 game has equivalent ray tracing? 

No one really behaves like in those cases. Why? Because they don't feel the need to gate keep. Interesting how that behavior is only present in Switch 2 threads. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 13 February 2024

Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Probably because nobody in a ps5 thread would be ridiculous enough to claim the ps5 is the same hardware class as the 4090.

And nobody is saying people shouldn't enjoy switch games.  

The only dispute is if S2 is the same class as the ps5....  the answer is, no.  

Nobody goes into PS5 threads to tout the 4090's superiority because they have a life. 

It's only done for one console and one console only and no one has claimed literally 100% equivalent performance ever between Switch 2 and next-gen consoles. Everyone knows there is a trade off and there is an upside for that trade off too, the upside being you get a fully portable experience on top of a home experience. 

How many PS5 threads have someone coming into them and stating for no real particular reason that they own a 4090 and cannot stand to play at game below 120 fps? 

No one really behaves like in those cases. Why? Because they don't feel the need to gate keep. 

No idea.  Because when I was a ps5 owner and people said PC was a generational leap above, I agreed with them.  It isn't that hard to accept the S2 will be a huge upgrade over the Switch, but well short of the ps5.  

I'm looking forward to Nintendo software on a 2050.

This whole debate initiated when some people started the ps5 comparison and continue to do so.  It is a poor comparison.  The ps5 will have roughly 2x more ram and 4x more memory bandwidth.  A ps4 and ps4 pro is a good benchmark.  

For the record Nintendo is my favorite developer and I've owned every home console they have ever released.  S2 will be no different.  I'm happy to switch the discussion software.  

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Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

Nobody goes into PS5 threads to tout the 4090's superiority because they have a life. 

It's only done for one console and one console only and no one has claimed literally 100% equivalent performance ever between Switch 2 and next-gen consoles. Everyone knows there is a trade off and there is an upside for that trade off too, the upside being you get a fully portable experience on top of a home experience. 

How many PS5 threads have someone coming into them and stating for no real particular reason that they own a 4090 and cannot stand to play at game below 120 fps? 

No one really behaves like in those cases. Why? Because they don't feel the need to gate keep. 

No idea.  Because when I was a ps5 owner and people said PC was a generational leap above, I agreed with them.  It isn't that hard to accept the S2 will be a huge upgrade over the Switch, but we'll short of the ps5.  

I'm looking forward to Nintendo software on a 2050.

No it's really not complex, most people don't the need to have to go into every thread and say that because they have some tact. 

Everyone is well aware a Switch 2 is not literally a PS5/XSX, the same way a PS5 is not a 4090 yet runs all the same games at a reasonably playable state. Same way an XBox Series S runs all the XBox Series X games. 

But it's only when it's Switch 2 that certain posters find the need to spam the thread and let it be known they can't play games below 60 fps or "only Sony games are worth playing on this system! Nothing else!!!!!", lol. It's pretty stupid all around. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 13 February 2024

Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

No idea.  Because when I was a ps5 owner and people said PC was a generational leap above, I agreed with them.  It isn't that hard to accept the S2 will be a huge upgrade over the Switch, but we'll short of the ps5.  

I'm looking forward to Nintendo software on a 2050.

No it's really not complex, most people don't the need to have to go into every thread and say that because they have some tact. 

Everyone is well aware a Switch 2 is not literally a PS5/XSX, the same way a PS5 is not a 4090 yet runs all the same games at a reasonably playable state. Same way an XBox Series S runs all the XBox Series X games. 

But it's only when it's Switch 2 that certain posters find the need to spam the thread and let it be known they can't play games below 60 fps, lol. It's pretty stupid all around. 

You position has migrated to exactly what I've been saying for months.  Nice!  We are aligned.  



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Chrkeller said:
Soundwave said:

No it's really not complex, most people don't the need to have to go into every thread and say that because they have some tact. 

Everyone is well aware a Switch 2 is not literally a PS5/XSX, the same way a PS5 is not a 4090 yet runs all the same games at a reasonably playable state. Same way an XBox Series S runs all the XBox Series X games. 

But it's only when it's Switch 2 that certain posters find the need to spam the thread and let it be known they can't play games below 60 fps, lol. It's pretty stupid all around. 

You position has migrated to exactly what I've been saying for months.  Nice!  We are aligned.  

No we're not aligned, and my position on you as a poster hasn't changed one bit either. 

I don't feel the need to go into PS5 threads and say "I can't play anything at less than 90 fps! Look at me! You shouldn't enjoy anything but only Sony games on this system! Everything else will be shit!". 

No one behaves like that, not because they couldn't, they don't do it because they know better. I have a 40 series desktop and a 3080 laptop, I don't feel compelled to do that at all. 



Soundwave said:
h2ohno said:

I agree with the bold part.  While higher resolutions are nice and a consistent framerate is vital for gameplay, when it comes to the actual graphics it's the assets themselves that really matter to me.  I'd rather see improved base assets than a jump to 4k or 120 fps.

When it comes to the Switch 2, the main thing I want to see is a generational leap over the current Switch.  I want to see Mario look a generation above Odessey, Zelda a generation above Tears of the Kingdom, Metroid a generation above Prime Remastered, etc.  In addition, I want the 3rd party ports to be as high quality as the Switch ports of Doom, Doom Eternal, Witcher 3, Nier Automata, Crysis, Persona 5, etc.  If it has to top out at 1080p to do that I don't care.

It's not like you get nothing out the trade off on a hybrid. The huge addition is you're getting a portable version of every game that you can play anywhere you want. 

Frankly, that's a much bigger deal to a lot of people than having a resolution bump + 60 fps. 

Want proof? Anyone dumb enough to claim a Switch that was not a hybrid but could run all its games like BOTW at 1440p + 60 fps would sell anywhere close to the current Switch? 

It wouldn't. It probably would have trouble selling even over 20 million units instead of the 150+ million the Switch is going to finish at. A lot more people are interested in a Breath of the Wild at 900p + 30 fps AND portable + home play versus a version that would be maybe 1440p + 60 fps but losing the portability. 

There's no game I've ever played in my life that was ugly or not fun to play at 1080p + 30 fps that suddenly became good looking and fun to play at 1440p + 60 fps. 

It's a nice to have. It's not a generational shift or even close to that though. And also funny how we don't have every PS5 thread flooded with people saying the 4090 is a much, much better piece of hardware and you shouldn't enjoy PS5 games because they can't possibly run as well as they could on a 4090 and PS5 is clearly a generation behind a 4090, etc. etc. etc. Every game on the PS5 that's available on PC, a 4090 can run it at a better resolution and better frame rate than a PS5, but no one seems compelled to have to put that into every PS5 discussion. Interesting how the gate keeping only applies to one console and one console only. 

I say I want a generational leap over the current Switch because without that it would be hard to justify having a new console at all.  A better Switch has to be just that, and must be significantly more powerful than what released 7 years ago and possibly 8 years by the time the Switch 2 finally comes out.  How it compares to the PS5 is less important than how it compares to its immediate predecessor.  In theory, Nintendo could reinvent the wheel for the 4th time in a row and justify an incremental increase in power by changing the way we play games yet again.  But that has huge risks as the Wii U proved, and they've found such a perfect niche with the Switch as it is that they only have what to lose by doing that.  If it doesn't allow for games that look significantly better than Mario Kart 8 from 10 years ago and also doesn't completely change the game like everything since the Wii has done, they might as well just keep selling the current Switch forever.



Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

You position has migrated to exactly what I've been saying for months.  Nice!  We are aligned.  

No we're not aligned, and my position on you as a poster hasn't changed one bit either. 

I don't feel the need to go into PS5 threads and say "I can't play anything at less than 90 fps! Look at me! You shouldn't enjoy anything but only Sony games on this system! Everything else will be shit!". 

No one behaves like that, not because they couldn't, they don't do it because they know better. I have a 40 series desktop and a 3080 laptop, I don't feel compelled to do that at all. 

*shrugs*

Never said people shouldn't enjoy their preferences.  In fact I've said the opposite many, many, many times over.  



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h2ohno said:
Soundwave said:

It's not like you get nothing out the trade off on a hybrid. The huge addition is you're getting a portable version of every game that you can play anywhere you want. 

Frankly, that's a much bigger deal to a lot of people than having a resolution bump + 60 fps. 

Want proof? Anyone dumb enough to claim a Switch that was not a hybrid but could run all its games like BOTW at 1440p + 60 fps would sell anywhere close to the current Switch? 

It wouldn't. It probably would have trouble selling even over 20 million units instead of the 150+ million the Switch is going to finish at. A lot more people are interested in a Breath of the Wild at 900p + 30 fps AND portable + home play versus a version that would be maybe 1440p + 60 fps but losing the portability. 

There's no game I've ever played in my life that was ugly or not fun to play at 1080p + 30 fps that suddenly became good looking and fun to play at 1440p + 60 fps. 

It's a nice to have. It's not a generational shift or even close to that though. And also funny how we don't have every PS5 thread flooded with people saying the 4090 is a much, much better piece of hardware and you shouldn't enjoy PS5 games because they can't possibly run as well as they could on a 4090 and PS5 is clearly a generation behind a 4090, etc. etc. etc. Every game on the PS5 that's available on PC, a 4090 can run it at a better resolution and better frame rate than a PS5, but no one seems compelled to have to put that into every PS5 discussion. Interesting how the gate keeping only applies to one console and one console only. 

I say I want a generational leap over the current Switch because without that it would be hard to justify having a new console at all.  A better Switch has to be just that, and must be significantly more powerful than what released 7 years ago and possibly 8 years by the time the Switch 2 finally comes out.  How it compares to the PS5 is less important than how it compares to its immediate predecessor.  In theory, Nintendo could reinvent the wheel for the 4th time in a row and justify an incremental increase in power by changing the way we play games yet again.  But that has huge risks as the Wii U proved, and they've found such a perfect niche with the Switch as it is that they only have what to lose by doing that.  If it doesn't allow for games that look significantly better than Mario Kart 8 from 10 years ago and also doesn't completely change the game like everything since the Wii has done, they might as well just keep selling the current Switch forever.

The Wii and DS are really their only "gimmick miracle" consoles, everything else they ever sold needed a significant amount of power for its time to impress gamers. 

Yes, even the NES/Famicom and Game Boy. People who didn't grow up in those eras revise history, but lets just start with the Famicom/NES. The Famicom launched in Japan the same *exact* day as Sega launched their competing SG-1000 console (no one mentions this of course). The Famicom was waaaaay more powerful, it could easily handle (for the time) complex scrolling level games while the SG-1000 was kind of stuck in like Atari 2600 land with static screen games on a generic black background type of thing. In the West, most people's conception of a home console then was basically the Atari 2600, the NES was a monstrous upgrade over an Atari 2600, it's like going from silent films to movies that have sound and color. 

The Game Boy, people need to understand, before the Game Boy, the normal "standard" for portable gaming before Game Boy were those shitty Tiger Electronics games your parents would buy you for like $20, lol (or Game & Watch if you were lucky I guess). 

Getting a Game Boy in like 1989, 1990 was absolutely a mind blowing device for most normal people, going from that static screen Tiger shit to a fully realized Mario side scrolling game even in green and white, playing multiplayer Tetris in your backseat with a sibling, playing games like Ninja Turtles and Castlevania ... that was absolutely a massive upgrade for almost anyone. I remember having to go on an 8 hour cross country trip with this thing as my only entertainment:

You bet your ass my mind was blown the first time I saw a Nintendo Game Boy. 



What is the first game people want to see on the S2? Mario Galaxy 3 is my pick. I thought galaxy was as close to perfection as a game could be. And the S2 is a massive upgrade compared to the Wii. I would love to see Galaxy 3.



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