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sc94597 said:
Pemalite said:

Manufacturers can do "runs" of varying sizes if need be.

But here is a 10.4" Tablet VA panel.
https://www.panelook.com/G104XVN01-0-AUO-10-4-VA-LCM-1024768-470nits-WLED-LVDS-30pins-detail_151562.html

Sharp also do a 7" and 6.4" VA Panel.
https://www.panelook.com/LQ070Y3LW01__7.0__overview_9653.html


Sure, but why go through the R&D and planning for a custom screen when you can buy something off the market that is already designed and "good enough" for the overwhelming majority of purchasers?

There is a reason why almost every PC Gaming handheld is using IPS or OLED, for example. 

Honestly, I do agree that modern VA would probably a be a good fit for the Switch 2 (and PC handhelds in general) as its main drawback (narrower viewing angles) is less of an issue in that circumstance. But the supply just doesn't seem to be there (as evidenced by the two panels you shared being discontinued five years ago and mass-produced 15 years ago.

Although I suppose Nintendo could've induced supply (and demand would follow, for other devices to take advantage of excess production capacity) so it might have worked out (with some risk.) 

Oh boy. You are going to engage with the goal-post shifting logical fallacies, huh? You stated that you have never seen VA for a mobile device, I provided literal evidence to the contrary. 

However... Here is a 5" Panel that is still being mass-produced as yet another example...
https://www.panelook.com/COM50H5N15ULC__5.0__overview_50873.html

I can provide dozens and dozens of examples of VA panels that are currently -in production- and available with different sizes and specification, the issue isn't the availability, manufacturers would jump at the chance to secure a contract.
I have provided you with a website that has an extensive database of in-production and out-of production and lists different suppliers and more, feel free to peruse it to your hearts content.

The narrow viewing angles is a non-issue with modern VA panels, that got resolved years ago... Hence why they use them in TV's and PC monitors now... Anyone who makes the proclamation that VA has "narrow viewing angles" clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.

Nothing is being "invented". It already exists. Nintendo wouldn't have to do any extra work... And even if they did, who cares of we, the consumer, get a superior product? The Switch 2 is far from perfect remember.

In short:
1) VA is available.
2) VA is cheaper.
3) VA has TN levels of response times.
4) VA has 178'/178' viewing angles.
5) VA has better contrasts.
6) VA exceeds the RGB colour space.
7) VA uses less electricity.
8) Better for HDR. - Not the "fake" HDR that Switch 2 has.

So why did Nintendo opt for IPS? Again, likely out of familiarity, it's what they used for the 3DS (Well, sometimes, you had a display lottery between TN and IPS) and Switch (With OLED later).

VA is however not as good as OLED, but there is literally zero reason to opt for IPS anymore... And I actively avoid IPS panels as I dislike the IPS glow that those panels exhibit which makes dark/high contrast scenes look like garbage.

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Pemalite said:

Oh boy. You are going to engage with the goal-post shifting logical fallacies, huh? You stated that you have never seen VA for a mobile device, I provided literal evidence to the contrary. 

My original question was about VA panels in mobile devices, and a Switch 2 sized one. Which you still haven't provided. You provided sub-HD screens (some released 15 years ago) that are being used in industrial and medical devices mostly and likely not suited for gaming at all. So let's not talk about moving the goal posts here. You know what we are talking about and why it is disingenuous to share a 5 inch screen not targeted for gaming use-cases. Go to the 8 inch or 8.4 inch category in the database you shared and page after page you find IPS(-like, AHVA and WVA are IPS-likes) or TN panels.

The reality is that you are holding Nintendo to a standard you're not holding any other manufacturer of mobile devices. Literally no mobile device released in 2023 to 2025 has a VA panel. Not handheld gaming PC's that cost twice as much, not cell phones, not tablets, etc. The best Gaming-targeted VA panels are produced by Samsung and even they are mostly releasing IPS/PLS and AMOLED screens for their mobile devices and laptops. 

Why is that the case? If VA is clearly better and there are no costs and risk why aren't we seeing them in mobile devices? Forget Nintendo, why do the Rog Ally, even the ones releasing this year, and original Steam Deck have IPS displays?

And no - most VA displays, even its modern form, still do have limited viewing angles compared to IPS and OLED. I have two mid-ranged VA gaming monitors, and their viewing angles are visibly worse compared to my OLED and IPS displays. But if you don't want to go off my anecdotal experiences, 

6:50 "VA Panels have much better viewing angles than TN panels but don't reach the level of IPS or OLEDs in our experience. Relative to the best monitors, VA's tend to suffer from contrast or gamut shift when offset to angles, but the best spot for viewing is much larger than TN LCDs. Most IPS panels are better with an even wider sweet spot and less color and brightness shift at more extreme angles. This does vary between IPS panel manufacturers. Generally I describe the IPS panels I have tested as having excellent viewing angles."

This video was released in November 2024 and the VA monitor they used as an example is from March 2024 with an MSRP ~ $300 USD (so representative of what is middle of the line then.) That is the time-period when Nintendo would have to peak its production of Switch 2's for launch.

The reason why Nintendo likely opted for IPS is because literally every other mid-end mobile device that doesn't use an OLED display uses IPS(-like) LCDs. If VA were common (or even extant really) in this market, they might have opted for a VA display.

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sc94597 said:
Pemalite said:

Oh boy. You are going to engage with the goal-post shifting logical fallacies, huh? You stated that you have never seen VA for a mobile device, I provided literal evidence to the contrary. 

My original question was about VA panels in mobile devices, and a Switch 2 sized one. Which you still haven't provided. You provided sub-HD screens (some released 15 years ago) that are being used in industrial and medical devices mostly and likely not suited for gaming at all. So let's not talk about moving the goal posts here. You know what we are talking about and why it is disingenuous to share a 5 inch screen not targeted for gaming use-cases. Go to the 8 inch or 8.4 inch category in the database you shared and page after page you find IPS(-like, AHVA and WVA are IPS-likes) or TN panels.

You have literally moved the goal post again. - Now your argument is about resolution? You need to stop shifting the goal post, that's twice now.

I have literally provided you the link to a VA panel that is in stock and is meant for Industrial/Mobile/Car HUD's.
A 5" screen is not designed for a PC or TV, so not sure what you think it's non-mobile use cases would even be.

But again, I have provided a link to an entire fucking database of displays that you can peruse... And like I said prior, I can provide you evidence for hundreds of VA displays that is available to be used.

Here is a 7" one because a 5" isn't "Good enough" for you. - That's lager than the OG Switch panel.
https://www.panelook.com/COM70H7M24ULC__7.0__overview_35934.html

Want another example? Or are you going to keep moving the goal post?

Hows about this 9" HD in-production, VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/YX090DKN01.0__9.0__overview_27409.html

There are 132 page listings for just VA Panels on the Panel Exchange website.
https://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&display_mode_lc_family=2

Or hows about this in-stock FHD 7" VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/LQ070M1SX01_Sharp_7.0_LCM_overview_21801.html

Now that I have once again made a mockery of your goal post shifting fallacies... (Which you blatantly lied about not doing!)


sc94597 said:

The reality is that you are holding Nintendo to a standard you're not holding any other manufacturer of mobile devices. Literally no mobile device released in 2023 to 2025 has a VA panel. Not handheld gaming PC's that cost twice as much, not cell phones, not tablets, etc. The best Gaming-targeted VA panels are produced by Samsung and even they are mostly releasing IPS/PLS and AMOLED screens for their mobile devices and laptops. 

THAT IS A LIE.

I -do- hold other manufacturers to the SAME standard. Mobile or fixed. Doesn't matter.

Steamdeck has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Original Switch has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Switch 2 has an IPS panel, which normally would be fine, but in Nintendo's case... The IPS panel in question is hot garbage, I want better.

I am not saying Nintendo -has- to have a higher quality, more expensive OLED panel, but I want the option of anything else except for garbage low-quality IPS displays.

I have AMOLED panels for my phones, tablets. I have OLED for my TV. I have a high-performance VA panel for my computer monitor... I have fucking literally put money where my mouth is and want Nintendo to hit that same expectation I want from all my devices.

In future don't make baseless assertions without evidence, I am not someone who fornicates over certain brands just because.

sc94597 said:

Why is that the case? If VA is clearly better and there are no costs and risk why aren't we seeing them in mobile devices? Forget Nintendo, why do the Rog Ally, even the ones releasing this year, and original Steam Deck have IPS displays?

Availability. - Nintendo likes to source it's panels from multiple manufacturers, not just one, that greatly reduces the choices of certain display sizes and types.

I refused to buy the Steamdeck with an IPS panel.
And I won't buy the ROG for the same reason.

sc94597 said:

And no - most VA displays, even its modern form, still do have limited viewing angles compared to IPS and OLED. I have two mid-ranged VA gaming monitors, and their viewing angles are visibly worse compared to my OLED and IPS displays. But if you don't want to go off my anecdotal experiences, 

I never stated that VA has OLED levels of perfection, I actually said the inverse if you bothered to read my previous statements.

However VA viewing-angles is a non-issue these days.

sc94597 said:

6:50 "VA Panels have much better viewing angles than TN panels but don't reach the level of IPS or OLEDs in our experience. Relative to the best monitors, VA's tend to suffer from contrast or gamut shift when offset to angles, but the best spot for viewing is much larger than TN LCDs. Most IPS panels are better with an even wider sweet spot and less color and brightness shift at more extreme angles. This does vary between IPS panel manufacturers. Generally I describe the IPS panels I have tested as having excellent viewing angles."

This video was released in November 2024 and the VA monitor they used as an example is from March 2024 with an MSRP ~ $300 USD (so representative of what is middle of the line then.) That is the time-period when Nintendo would have to peak its production of Switch 2's for launch.

The reason why Nintendo likely opted for IPS is because literally every other mid-end mobile device that doesn't use an OLED display uses IPS(-like) LCDs. If VA were common (or even extant really) in this market, they might have opted for a VA display.

Not all VA panels are the same. You have PVA and MVA for example.
TFT central does a better breakdown.

https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies









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Pemalite said:
sc94597 said:

My original question was about VA panels in mobile devices, and a Switch 2 sized one. Which you still haven't provided. You provided sub-HD screens (some released 15 years ago) that are being used in industrial and medical devices mostly and likely not suited for gaming at all. So let's not talk about moving the goal posts here. You know what we are talking about and why it is disingenuous to share a 5 inch screen not targeted for gaming use-cases. Go to the 8 inch or 8.4 inch category in the database you shared and page after page you find IPS(-like, AHVA and WVA are IPS-likes) or TN panels.

You have literally moved the goal post again. - Now your argument is about resolution? You need to stop shifting the goal post, that's twice now.
I have literally provided you the link to a VA panel that is in stock and is meant for Industrial/Mobile/Car HUD's.
A 5" screen is not designed for a PC or TV, so not sure what you think it's non-mobile use cases would even be.
But again, I have provided a link to an entire fucking database of displays that you can peruse... And like I said prior, I can provide you evidence for hundreds of VA displays that is available to be used.
Here is a 7" one because a 5" isn't "Good enough" for you. - That's lager than the OG Switch panel.
https://www.panelook.com/COM70H7M24ULC__7.0__overview_35934.html
Want another example? Or are you going to keep moving the goal post?
Hows about this 9" HD in-production, VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/YX090DKN01.0__9.0__overview_27409.html
There are 132 page listings for just VA Panels on the Panel Exchange website.
https://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&display_mode_lc_family=2
Or hows about this in-stock FHD 7" VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/LQ070M1SX01_Sharp_7.0_LCM_overview_21801.html
Now that I have once again made a mockery of your goal post shifting fallacies... (Which you blatantly lied about not doing!)

THAT IS A LIE.
I -do- hold other manufacturers to the SAME standard. Mobile or fixed. Doesn't matter.
Steamdeck has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Original Switch has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Switch 2 has an IPS panel, which normally would be fine, but in Nintendo's case... The IPS panel in question is hot garbage, I want better.
I am not saying Nintendo -has- to have a higher quality, more expensive OLED panel, but I want the option of anything else except for garbage low-quality IPS displays.
I have AMOLED panels for my phones, tablets. I have OLED for my TV. I have a high-performance VA panel for my computer monitor... I have fucking literally put money where my mouth is and want Nintendo to hit that same expectation I want from all my devices.
In future don't make baseless assertions without evidence, I am not someone who fornicates over certain brands just because.

"Shifting the goal post" is a pretty lousy redirect here. You know that. Come on. Be serious.  

The context and spirit of the discussion has always been about gaming platforms and modern mobile devices more generally. Not random counter-examples that are used in unrelated devices you can find just so you can "win" a point somehow. If we are going to hold each-other to the letter of the text rather than the actual topic of discussion then you have not yet provided an 8 inch VA. That's "Switch 2 sized" after all. But to be serious, obviously I wasn't asking about any VA panel that is tiny, but a viable alternative for the Switch 2 that has all of the qualities of the top end VA's that are superior to the Switch 2's IPS screen. This has been the topic from the very start. 

These were my original questions, which are the same as now. Notice I even said "Are there any phones/tablets releasing with VA panels recently?"

sc94597 said:

How common are VA displays in the Switch 2's size? The only small/portable VA displays I know of are in some older (ten year old) 10 inch (or larger) drawing tablets. Are there any phones/tablets releasing with VA panels recently? Without the economies of scale would it have a better price? 

The fact that you basically had a borderline meltdown here, "shifting the goal post", "logical fallacies", "fucking", "THAT IS A LIE", "now that I once again am making a mockery", "clearly doesn't know what they are talking about", etc. is a sign that you know this is a shaky position.  You should be setting an example for good faith discussion. I've not been disrespectful at all in this back and forth, and would expect you to be in kind. 

Availability. - Nintendo likes to source it's panels from multiple manufacturers, not just one, that greatly reduces the choices of certain display sizes and types.

Right, so market forces, manufacturing capacity, and supply lines do matter then. That has been my point from the very start. Remember your original point was choosing an IPS display was a "bad choice on Nintendo's behalf." 

I never stated that VA has OLED levels of perfection, I actually said the inverse if you bothered to read my previous statements.

Nor did I say VA is totally narrow in its viewing angles. Just that it is a tradeoff when compared to IPS and OLED. The original word I used was "narrower." Plus I initially stated it didn't matter, anyway. The rest of this was a tangent you went on as an attempt to put me in a category of somebody who "clearly doesn't know what they are talking about."

Not all VA panels are the same. You have PVA and MVA for example.
TFT central does a better breakdown.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies

Right, I am well aware of this. Samsung's SVA panels, as an example, are pretty great. But we have yet to see Samsung put them in a low or mid-tier mobile Galaxy device (phone or tablet), for example. Which hints that it is not economically sensible to do so. Also just like there are different VA technologies, there are different IPS-like technologies of varying qualities too. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 24 July 2025

Pemalite said:

There are 132 page listings for just VA Panels on the Panel Exchange website.
https://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&display_mode_lc_family=2

Well, only 1250 of these 6000+ VA panels are still in production:

A modern handheld needs touchscreen functionality, which reduces the number of VA-panel displays to 32:

Then the display has to fit in a handheld formfactor, so let's filter to a dispay size of 6'' - 9''... which reduces the number of VA-panel displays to 4:

All of these 4 panels are objectively worse than the Switch 2 display.

3 of them have a 800x480 resolution (much worse than the even the Switch 1 or PS Vita).

The last one with higher resolution has no backlight, which throws us back to Gameboy displays.



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And most of these (like Ortustech) are industrial machinery/automotive panel manufacturers, they shouldn't even be considered.

But I wouldn't immediately discard an EOL option in case the production lines/logistics are still there since the Switch 2 has a lot of EOL parts in it.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:

And most of these (like Ortustech) are industrial machinery/automotive panel manufacturers, they shouldn't even be considered.

But I wouldn't immediately discard an EOL option in case the production lines/logistics are still there since the Switch 2 has a lot of EOL parts in it.

The 6 discontinued panels aren't any better, all worse resolution than the Switch 1:

 

Which would be a big backwards compatibility problem.



Conina said:
Pemalite said:

There are 132 page listings for just VA Panels on the Panel Exchange website.
https://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&display_mode_lc_family=2

Well, only 1250 of these 6000+ VA panels are still in production:

A modern handheld needs touchscreen functionality, which reduces the number of VA-panel displays to 32:

Then the display has to fit in a handheld formfactor, so let's filter to a dispay size of 6'' - 9''... which reduces the number of VA-panel displays to 4:

All of these 4 panels are objectively worse than the Switch 2 display.

3 of them have a 800x480 resolution (much worse than the even the Switch 1 or PS Vita).

The last one with higher resolution has no backlight, which throws us back to Gameboy displays.

"Ouchie ouch" - Pemalite, probably.

No, but seriously. The conversation was getting ridiculous.



Cyberpunk on Mac Pro M4Max laptop gets 1h 17m of battery time. Compare to Switch 2 with 2h 15m.



Yeah the screen thing is kinda derailing the topic a bit which is supposed to be about the hardware's graphical performance.