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Pemalite said:
sc94597 said:

My original question was about VA panels in mobile devices, and a Switch 2 sized one. Which you still haven't provided. You provided sub-HD screens (some released 15 years ago) that are being used in industrial and medical devices mostly and likely not suited for gaming at all. So let's not talk about moving the goal posts here. You know what we are talking about and why it is disingenuous to share a 5 inch screen not targeted for gaming use-cases. Go to the 8 inch or 8.4 inch category in the database you shared and page after page you find IPS(-like, AHVA and WVA are IPS-likes) or TN panels.

You have literally moved the goal post again. - Now your argument is about resolution? You need to stop shifting the goal post, that's twice now.
I have literally provided you the link to a VA panel that is in stock and is meant for Industrial/Mobile/Car HUD's.
A 5" screen is not designed for a PC or TV, so not sure what you think it's non-mobile use cases would even be.
But again, I have provided a link to an entire fucking database of displays that you can peruse... And like I said prior, I can provide you evidence for hundreds of VA displays that is available to be used.
Here is a 7" one because a 5" isn't "Good enough" for you. - That's lager than the OG Switch panel.
https://www.panelook.com/COM70H7M24ULC__7.0__overview_35934.html
Want another example? Or are you going to keep moving the goal post?
Hows about this 9" HD in-production, VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/YX090DKN01.0__9.0__overview_27409.html
There are 132 page listings for just VA Panels on the Panel Exchange website.
https://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&display_mode_lc_family=2
Or hows about this in-stock FHD 7" VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/LQ070M1SX01_Sharp_7.0_LCM_overview_21801.html
Now that I have once again made a mockery of your goal post shifting fallacies... (Which you blatantly lied about not doing!)

THAT IS A LIE.
I -do- hold other manufacturers to the SAME standard. Mobile or fixed. Doesn't matter.
Steamdeck has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Original Switch has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Switch 2 has an IPS panel, which normally would be fine, but in Nintendo's case... The IPS panel in question is hot garbage, I want better.
I am not saying Nintendo -has- to have a higher quality, more expensive OLED panel, but I want the option of anything else except for garbage low-quality IPS displays.
I have AMOLED panels for my phones, tablets. I have OLED for my TV. I have a high-performance VA panel for my computer monitor... I have fucking literally put money where my mouth is and want Nintendo to hit that same expectation I want from all my devices.
In future don't make baseless assertions without evidence, I am not someone who fornicates over certain brands just because.

"Shifting the goal post" is a pretty lousy redirect here. You know that. Come on. Be serious.  

The context and spirit of the discussion has always been about gaming platforms and modern mobile devices more generally. Not random counter-examples that are used in unrelated devices you can find just so you can "win" a point somehow. If we are going to hold each-other to the letter of the text rather than the actual topic of discussion then you have not yet provided an 8 inch VA. That's "Switch 2 sized" after all. But to be serious, obviously I wasn't asking about any VA panel that is tiny, but a viable alternative for the Switch 2 that has all of the qualities of the top end VA's that are superior to the Switch 2's IPS screen. This has been the topic from the very start. 

These were my original questions, which are the same as now. Notice I even said "Are there any phones/tablets releasing with VA panels recently?"

sc94597 said:

How common are VA displays in the Switch 2's size? The only small/portable VA displays I know of are in some older (ten year old) 10 inch (or larger) drawing tablets. Are there any phones/tablets releasing with VA panels recently? Without the economies of scale would it have a better price? 

The fact that you basically had a borderline meltdown here, "shifting the goal post", "logical fallacies", "fucking", "THAT IS A LIE", "now that I once again am making a mockery", "clearly doesn't know what they are talking about", etc. is a sign that you know this is a shaky position.  You should be setting an example for good faith discussion. I've not been disrespectful at all in this back and forth, and would expect you to be in kind. 

Availability. - Nintendo likes to source it's panels from multiple manufacturers, not just one, that greatly reduces the choices of certain display sizes and types.

Right, so market forces, manufacturing capacity, and supply lines do matter then. That has been my point from the very start. Remember your original point was choosing an IPS display was a "bad choice on Nintendo's behalf." 

I never stated that VA has OLED levels of perfection, I actually said the inverse if you bothered to read my previous statements.

Nor did I say VA is totally narrow in its viewing angles. Just that it is a tradeoff when compared to IPS and OLED. The original word I used was "narrower." Plus I initially stated it didn't matter, anyway. The rest of this was a tangent you went on as an attempt to put me in a category of somebody who "clearly doesn't know what they are talking about."

Not all VA panels are the same. You have PVA and MVA for example.
TFT central does a better breakdown.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies

Right, I am well aware of this. Samsung's SVA panels, as an example, are pretty great. But we have yet to see Samsung put them in a low or mid-tier mobile Galaxy device (phone or tablet), for example. Which hints that it is not economically sensible to do so. Also just like there are different VA technologies, there are different IPS-like technologies of varying qualities too. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 24 July 2025