sc94597 said:
My original question was about VA panels in mobile devices, and a Switch 2 sized one. Which you still haven't provided. You provided sub-HD screens (some released 15 years ago) that are being used in industrial and medical devices mostly and likely not suited for gaming at all. So let's not talk about moving the goal posts here. You know what we are talking about and why it is disingenuous to share a 5 inch screen not targeted for gaming use-cases. Go to the 8 inch or 8.4 inch category in the database you shared and page after page you find IPS(-like, AHVA and WVA are IPS-likes) or TN panels. |
You have literally moved the goal post again. - Now your argument is about resolution? You need to stop shifting the goal post, that's twice now.
I have literally provided you the link to a VA panel that is in stock and is meant for Industrial/Mobile/Car HUD's.
A 5" screen is not designed for a PC or TV, so not sure what you think it's non-mobile use cases would even be.
But again, I have provided a link to an entire fucking database of displays that you can peruse... And like I said prior, I can provide you evidence for hundreds of VA displays that is available to be used.
Here is a 7" one because a 5" isn't "Good enough" for you. - That's lager than the OG Switch panel.
https://www.panelook.com/COM70H7M24ULC__7.0__overview_35934.html
Want another example? Or are you going to keep moving the goal post?
Hows about this 9" HD in-production, VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/YX090DKN01.0__9.0__overview_27409.html
There are 132 page listings for just VA Panels on the Panel Exchange website.
https://www.panelook.com/modelsearch.php?op=advancedsearch&order=panel_id&display_mode_lc_family=2
Or hows about this in-stock FHD 7" VA panel?
https://www.panelook.com/LQ070M1SX01_Sharp_7.0_LCM_overview_21801.html
Now that I have once again made a mockery of your goal post shifting fallacies... (Which you blatantly lied about not doing!)
| sc94597 said: The reality is that you are holding Nintendo to a standard you're not holding any other manufacturer of mobile devices. Literally no mobile device released in 2023 to 2025 has a VA panel. Not handheld gaming PC's that cost twice as much, not cell phones, not tablets, etc. The best Gaming-targeted VA panels are produced by Samsung and even they are mostly releasing IPS/PLS and AMOLED screens for their mobile devices and laptops. |
THAT IS A LIE.
I -do- hold other manufacturers to the SAME standard. Mobile or fixed. Doesn't matter.
Steamdeck has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Original Switch has an OLED variant which meets my needs.
The Switch 2 has an IPS panel, which normally would be fine, but in Nintendo's case... The IPS panel in question is hot garbage, I want better.
I am not saying Nintendo -has- to have a higher quality, more expensive OLED panel, but I want the option of anything else except for garbage low-quality IPS displays.
I have AMOLED panels for my phones, tablets. I have OLED for my TV. I have a high-performance VA panel for my computer monitor... I have fucking literally put money where my mouth is and want Nintendo to hit that same expectation I want from all my devices.
In future don't make baseless assertions without evidence, I am not someone who fornicates over certain brands just because.
| sc94597 said: Why is that the case? If VA is clearly better and there are no costs and risk why aren't we seeing them in mobile devices? Forget Nintendo, why do the Rog Ally, even the ones releasing this year, and original Steam Deck have IPS displays? |
Availability. - Nintendo likes to source it's panels from multiple manufacturers, not just one, that greatly reduces the choices of certain display sizes and types.
I refused to buy the Steamdeck with an IPS panel.
And I won't buy the ROG for the same reason.
| sc94597 said: And no - most VA displays, even its modern form, still do have limited viewing angles compared to IPS and OLED. I have two mid-ranged VA gaming monitors, and their viewing angles are visibly worse compared to my OLED and IPS displays. But if you don't want to go off my anecdotal experiences, |
I never stated that VA has OLED levels of perfection, I actually said the inverse if you bothered to read my previous statements.
However VA viewing-angles is a non-issue these days.
| sc94597 said: 6:50 "VA Panels have much better viewing angles than TN panels but don't reach the level of IPS or OLEDs in our experience. Relative to the best monitors, VA's tend to suffer from contrast or gamut shift when offset to angles, but the best spot for viewing is much larger than TN LCDs. Most IPS panels are better with an even wider sweet spot and less color and brightness shift at more extreme angles. This does vary between IPS panel manufacturers. Generally I describe the IPS panels I have tested as having excellent viewing angles." This video was released in November 2024 and the VA monitor they used as an example is from March 2024 with an MSRP ~ $300 USD (so representative of what is middle of the line then.) That is the time-period when Nintendo would have to peak its production of Switch 2's for launch. The reason why Nintendo likely opted for IPS is because literally every other mid-end mobile device that doesn't use an OLED display uses IPS(-like) LCDs. If VA were common (or even extant really) in this market, they might have opted for a VA display. |
Not all VA panels are the same. You have PVA and MVA for example.
TFT central does a better breakdown.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies
www.youtube.com/@Pemalite
