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Switch 2 is out! How you classify?

Terribly outdated! 3 5.26%
 
Outdated 1 1.75%
 
Slightly outdated 14 24.56%
 
On point 31 54.39%
 
High tech! 7 12.28%
 
A mixed bag 1 1.75%
 
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Biggerboat1 said:
Sephiran said:

I actually think Nintendo are masters at knowing what matters to mass consumers and what they can cheap out on because only a select few tech obsessives will care about it. The screen is a massive none issue for majority of consumers. Even on gaming forums threads have been created where the clear majority haven't even noticed the Switch 2 screen is supposedly bad. And that is on gaming forums, where you will find a lot more spec knowledge than among general consumers.

Its Nintendo's mastery of knowing general gaming consumers that make them so competitive on the market. PC handhelds on the other hand are doomed as long as they cater to the small tech bubble and make ever more expensive handhelds with no understanding at all of how futile it is to cater to a small demographic of obsessives. And i think that is what makes the tech bubble so anti-Nintendo, because Nintendo always has the better view of the market and how general consumers think, and no matter how many youtube videos they make about how people should just put ever more money into a ROG Ally instead of a Switch 2, the sales for the Switch 2 will just keep on dominating.

Nintendo has majorly misread the market in the past, as has pretty much every company, and they'll do so again in the future - deeming them 'masters at knowing what matters to mass consumers' & saying 'Nintendo always has the better view of the market and how general consumers think' sounds a bit kool-aidy to me & is provably wrong when looking at their history.

Switch 2 could have been half as performant & had an even worse screen and it'd likely still be sold out, such was the level of anticipation created by the success of Switch 1.

Also, the SWOLED being the best selling version of S1 since it's introduction doesn't really support your point that consumers don't care about the screen...

Some sub-£200 phones come with OLEDs now, I think Nintendo could have included one if they wanted to, but going with an inferior screen at launch then having folk double-dip mid-generation makes line go up more!

Please do name tablet size devices with an 8 inch OLED display that are in the $400 range. It's not that common, a $900 ROG Ally does not have an OLED display, the Steam Deck only got OLED after a couple of years and sells for a $150 premium over the OG model as a result. Apple only started using OLED displays in iPads very recently and they cost a massive premium over the regular LCD iPads. 

And yeah Nintendo could've farted out any hardware and just done OK, we all remember the 3DS and Wii U selling like gangbusters off DS and Wii hype, amirite? Details matter. Switch 2 is significantly better hardware for its time than the 3DS or Wii U, some people just want to complain about every thing. If Nintendo had an optional $600 Switch 2 model today with OLED (like the Steam Deck), then there would be a group of enthusiasts also crying that $600 is too expensive and why isn't Nintendo just giving it to them for the base price. 

These people are never happy. I've honestly learned to not listen to this type of person on the internet, they're never happy with anything, and it probably isn't just limited to products, likely is deeply rooted in their overall life. One of the things I can reflect on these days is the GameCube is kinda of linked with the Switch 2 as it's getting its online channel on Switch 2 launch day, and reflecting back on it I realize I never enjoyed or appreciated how good that GameCube hardware was because I drank the kool-aid of listening to morons online who would nitpick little details (it has 3MB of VRAM only!!!!! PS2 has 4MB!!! Doesn't play DVDs even though everyone and their grandma has a standalone DVD player in the house anyway). Now that I look back on it, that was such a terrific little piece of kit and for that price point for 2001? Ridiculously good, much better than the PS2, but if you just cling to online narratives of the time, you don't realize how good you had it until afterwards. Rogue Squadron II, F-Zero GX, RE4 still look good to this day. Now today it's "cool" to appreciate the GameCube.

Last edited by Soundwave - on 29 June 2025

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Soundwave said:

Digital Foundry's final verdict is the system is very good.

Some of the immediate comments from Digital Foundry's comments section on Youtube I think are more in tune with the reality here:

The console isn’t perfect, but im loving it! The crazy thing is that when it comes to the screen its probably the best LCD screen ive ever seen, these colors POP almost as good as my steam deck OLED display. Id probably think it was OLED if it wasn’t for the absent inky blacks lol. 1080p, 120fps, vrr, its pretty future proofed. I haven’t noticed any of the “ghosting” that DF pointed out, and I tried looking for it.


@uradeutsch
20 minutes ago
the screen nonsense is entirely overblown..


@LocrianDorian
1 hour ago
I love my Switch 2, I've mostly been playing Switch 1 games on it to be honest because I have about 500 of them and half of them are unplayed. I haven't really noticed the ghosting, I think people are blowing it out of proportion. Not saying it is not an issue, but it really isn't something the average layman would notice.

Regular gamers are just going to see a bright, colorful screen that is most importantly very big and be happy with it, the screen stuff is such a nothing burger but I guess after the Switch 2's launch broke sales record, the people who were clinging to "$80 Mario Kart!" and "8nm!!!" had to go cling to their last resort. 

DF also admits not only is there 4K DLSS, but it's relatively cheap as well. 

The bruhaha over 8nm doesn't seem to have had the same impact because Nintendo optimized really well and it's a very custom design (even evident from the die shot xrays, it seems to be influenced by Ada Lovelace design), so you're getting still reasonable battery life and good end performance. 

Nintendo made a good system here, their best hardware day 1 since probably the GameCube. The "normal" core gamer is going to have a blast with this system, it's very powerful for a slim form factor and the net end performance (no matter how you get there) on a screen is better than things like a Steam Deck and trades blows with things like a wired Series S home console and a $700 ROG Ally that almost no one owns. 

For $450 there's nothing on the market today that's going to give you significantly better performance in a still mobile form factor (not to mention this is way slimmer than a Steam Deck or ROG Ally could dream of being with a bigger screen to boot). 

If they decide to make a Pro version of this some day that's going to be a beast of a system too. And Mario Kart is a blast, loving it, so many epic tracks. 

My only gripe with the hardware, and it's not really even that big of a gripe is the system feels a bit heavy. It's not really a big deal for an adult, but it could be a bit hard for the kiddos, but it does go to show that Nintendo is willing to make hardware more tailored for adults. This thing definitely does not feel like a toy at all, fairly premium feeling all around. 

Painting everyone who has any criticism of S2 as a bad-faith Nintendo hater is kinda lame.

I've owned 1 Sony console, 1 Xbox & 6 Nintendo.

I'll inevitably grab a S2 at some stage because I love the games but that doesn't mean I have to celebrate every decision the company makes.

Digital Foundry also said that the display is disappointing, so using them as the the authority backs up the detractors as much as the supporters...

And the S2 trading blows with a Series S & a ROG Ally is in part due to devs putting in a lot of extra effort with the ports.

If the same TLC was put into those systems we'd potentially have a different story.

We've kinda all just accepted that it's fine that a major component in the S2 is a significant regression from the latest model of its predecessor, I'm not sure many other companies would be receiving that charitable a reaction.

The early rationale was that they'd at least gone with a very good LCD, this has not proven to be the case.

We don't shy away from criticizing Nvidia or Apple for getting greedy & Nintendo shouldn't get a pass either.



Biggerboat1 said:
Soundwave said:

Digital Foundry's final verdict is the system is very good.

Some of the immediate comments from Digital Foundry's comments section on Youtube I think are more in tune with the reality here:

The console isn’t perfect, but im loving it! The crazy thing is that when it comes to the screen its probably the best LCD screen ive ever seen, these colors POP almost as good as my steam deck OLED display. Id probably think it was OLED if it wasn’t for the absent inky blacks lol. 1080p, 120fps, vrr, its pretty future proofed. I haven’t noticed any of the “ghosting” that DF pointed out, and I tried looking for it.


@uradeutsch
20 minutes ago
the screen nonsense is entirely overblown..


@LocrianDorian
1 hour ago
I love my Switch 2, I've mostly been playing Switch 1 games on it to be honest because I have about 500 of them and half of them are unplayed. I haven't really noticed the ghosting, I think people are blowing it out of proportion. Not saying it is not an issue, but it really isn't something the average layman would notice.

Regular gamers are just going to see a bright, colorful screen that is most importantly very big and be happy with it, the screen stuff is such a nothing burger but I guess after the Switch 2's launch broke sales record, the people who were clinging to "$80 Mario Kart!" and "8nm!!!" had to go cling to their last resort. 

DF also admits not only is there 4K DLSS, but it's relatively cheap as well. 

The bruhaha over 8nm doesn't seem to have had the same impact because Nintendo optimized really well and it's a very custom design (even evident from the die shot xrays, it seems to be influenced by Ada Lovelace design), so you're getting still reasonable battery life and good end performance. 

Nintendo made a good system here, their best hardware day 1 since probably the GameCube. The "normal" core gamer is going to have a blast with this system, it's very powerful for a slim form factor and the net end performance (no matter how you get there) on a screen is better than things like a Steam Deck and trades blows with things like a wired Series S home console and a $700 ROG Ally that almost no one owns. 

For $450 there's nothing on the market today that's going to give you significantly better performance in a still mobile form factor (not to mention this is way slimmer than a Steam Deck or ROG Ally could dream of being with a bigger screen to boot). 

If they decide to make a Pro version of this some day that's going to be a beast of a system too. And Mario Kart is a blast, loving it, so many epic tracks. 

My only gripe with the hardware, and it's not really even that big of a gripe is the system feels a bit heavy. It's not really a big deal for an adult, but it could be a bit hard for the kiddos, but it does go to show that Nintendo is willing to make hardware more tailored for adults. This thing definitely does not feel like a toy at all, fairly premium feeling all around. 

Painting everyone who has any criticism of S2 as a bad-faith Nintendo hater is kinda lame.

I've owned 1 Sony console, 1 Xbox & 6 Nintendo.

I'll inevitably grab a S2 at some stage because I love the games but that doesn't mean I have to celebrate every decision the company makes.

Digital Foundry also said that the display is disappointing, so using them as the the authority backs up the detractors as much as the supporters...

And the S2 trading blows with a Series S & a ROG Ally is in part due to devs putting in a lot of extra effort with the ports.

If the same TLC was put into those systems we'd potentially have a different story.

We've kinda all just accepted that it's fine that a major component in the S2 is a significant regression from the latest model of its predecessor, I'm not sure many other companies would be receiving that charitable a reaction.

The early rationale was that they'd at least gone with a very good LCD, this has not proven to be the case.

We don't shy away from criticizing Nvidia or Apple for getting greedy & Nintendo shouldn't get a pass either.

Actually tons of companies get a "pass". 

The OG Steam Deck's display wasn't anything special and only 720p ... was there a bunch of crying about that? No, there wasn't. 

OLED displays even in high end devices (especially tablet size devices) is actually not still common even now. Where is the OLED display on the $900 ROG Ally X? Not there. Virtually none of these expensive PC hybrids have an OLED display. Legion Go? Nope LCD. If OLED is only a "little more expensive maybe" then how come the Steam Deck OLED is a whopping $150 more? Was there a ton of crying about Steam Deck OLED carrying such a premium in pricing? Nope. 

Like I saw some people trying to push faux outrage over the Switch 2 screen "only being about 450 nits". So you mean like about the same as a ROG Ally? They convientantly of course didn't mention that part. 

A lot of these whiny babies on the internet would've shit their pants if the Switch 2 was $600 if Nintendo went that route as the Steam Deck OLED is. 

A XBox Series S is WIRED to a freaking power outlet and is not even remotely close to being portable. 

There isn't a hardware on the market that gives Switch 2 performance in a hybrid form factor with an 8 inch screen for $450 right now. This isn't some cheapo POS that Nintendo just farted out, yes you can get better performance perhaps from a ROG Ally X, but that's $900 freaking dollars and also far bulkier and less portable than a Switch 2 to boot. 

There's a lot of selective outrage around the Switch 2 in part because a lot of the whiny minority of the deep recesses of the internet has gotten burned trying to down talk the system (Switch 1 also) and gotten slapped in the face by it's overwhelming market success. There's also the hipster doofus "know it all gamer" who thinks they know everything about Nintendo when they actually don't even understand Nintendo has a completely different board of directors today from 10-15 years ago. But these genius' think they know everything about Nintendo and make guarantees about things, and when it turns out actually some of that isn't true at all they also take offense and then double down on other dumb opinions. You're dealing with a mish mash of these folks who also don't understand they are a tiny, tiny minority (zero self awareness). 

Like where are all these devices then with better than Steam Deck performance, with an 8 inch OLED display, wireless controllers, TV dock included for even $500? There's nothing and there's definitely nothing remotely as portable as the Switch 2 either, those other devices need double, triple the thickness to generate their performance, if you wanted a form factor about the same, you'd probably have to pay double+ on top of that. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 29 June 2025

Played mario kart world with 4 player split screen i think it runned at 30fps? But it whas solid and let me be honest, a LOT of fun.

You know,what games SHOULD BE.
Fun.



 

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Legion Go? Nope LCD. 

well, tbf the screen on the Legion Go is absolutely amazing, even bigger than Switch 2 with higher resolution (2560x1440). I have the thing here and I am impressed every time I look at it. It's honestly better than the Switch 2.

Then again, that is to be expected on a device that costs 800 Euros, so almost twice as much as the Switch 2. Plus Cyberpunk 2077 looks and runs A LOT better on Switch 2. So I still like the Switch 2 better. =D

But anyway, the Legion Go really is a great device, especially the screen, even though not OLED. But even as an OLED lover myself, I have to admit that all this stuff gets way overblown. Especially on a mobile device which you won't use in a dark room 90 % of the time anyway, which is where OLED truly shines. The screen of the Switch 2 is totally fine considering price, other specs and all. It's my favorite handheld all in all. 



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Soundwave said:

Actually tons of companies get a "pass". 

The OG Steam Deck's display wasn't anything special and only 720p ... was there a bunch of crying about that? No, there wasn't. 

OLED displays even in high end devices (especially tablet size devices) is actually not still common even now. Where is the OLED display on the $900 ROG Ally X? Not there. Virtually none of these expensive PC hybrids have an OLED display. Legion Go? Nope LCD. If OLED is only a "little more expensive maybe" then how come the Steam Deck OLED is a whopping $150 more? Was there a ton of crying about Steam Deck OLED carrying such a premium in pricing? Nope. 

Like I saw some people trying to push faux outrage over the Switch 2 screen "only being about 450 nits". So you mean like about the same as a ROG Ally? They convientantly of course didn't mention that part. 

A lot of these whiny babies on the internet would've shit their pants if the Switch 2 was $600 if Nintendo went that route as the Steam Deck OLED is. 

A XBox Series S is WIRED to a freaking power outlet and is not even remotely close to being portable. 

There isn't a hardware on the market that gives Switch 2 performance in a hybrid form factor with an 8 inch screen for $450 right now. This isn't some cheapo POS that Nintendo just farted out, yes you can get better performance perhaps from a ROG Ally X, but that's $900 freaking dollars and also far bulkier and less portable than a Switch 2 to boot. 

There's a lot of selective outrage around the Switch 2 in part because a lot of the whiny minority of the deep recesses of the internet has gotten burned trying to down talk the system (Switch 1 also) and gotten slapped in the face by it's overwhelming market success. There's also the hipster doofus "know it all gamer" who thinks they know everything about Nintendo when they actually don't even understand Nintendo has a completely different board of directors today from 10-15 years ago. But these genius' think they know everything about Nintendo and make guarantees about things, and when it turns out actually some of that isn't true at all they also take offense and then double down on other dumb opinions. You're dealing with a mish mash of these folks who also don't understand they are a tiny, tiny minority (zero self awareness). 

Like where are all these devices then with better than Steam Deck performance, with an 8 inch OLED display, wireless controllers, TV dock included for even $500? There's nothing and there's definitely nothing remotely as portable as the Switch 2 either, those other devices need double, triple the thickness to generate their performance, if you wanted a form factor about the same, you'd probably have to pay double+ on top of that. 

It's disingenuous to imply that the cost of the OLED SD is $150 more solely due to the screen. For that premium you also get a way better battery life, double the storage, better wifi & a slightly more performant chip on a more efficient process.

And I think we will see a backlash if there isn't at least an OLED variant of the SD2 when it arrives.

The other handheld PCs sell in such comparatively small numbers that the comparisons aren't particularly useful.

They don't benefit from economy of scale that S2 and to a lesser extent SD do & they also have to make a profit at sale, whereas S2 & SD can rely on recurring revenue from software sales.

There's also an economy of scale gulf between Switch vs Steam Deck. Steam Deck has only sold around 4m units of which only around 1.4m are OLED.

So if Valve can deliver a price point of $549 which includes an OLED of which they've currently only sold 1.4m, surely S2, which is likely to hit 100m+ can do the same for $100 bucks less purely through the discounts enjoyed when ordering at those exponentially higher volumes? Oh, and let's not forget for that price point, compared to S2, Valve are also including more ram, better wifi, double the storage, miles better battery life & a chipset that's in the same ballpark (undocked)...

I think a reason that these comparisons are also scewed is that for some reason the competition are all on AMD. I'm no expert but I'm guessing it's due to these other devices selling so little that Nvidia just aren't interested...

Purely by going with a newer process Nvidia could easily trounce the performance of S2, why that's not happening does seem odd to me - maybe that's a direction they'll explore, or again, maybe it's just not worth the effort for such a huge company & such a niche sector.



The main reason Switch 2 (and most PC handhelds) don't have OLED screens is because the manufacturers (including Nintendo) have prioritized free-sync/g-sync. OLED displays that support free-sync are too expensive. 

Although, Nintendo sort of botched that so far with how poor the implementation of G-Sync is on launch.

Nintendo could've gone with an OLED for probably a slightly higher price (or lower profit), but then it wouldn't have G-Sync support. 

I think they made the right decision, to be honest. More people are sensitive to screen-tearing than slightly degraded motion clarity, and OLED level colors, brightness, and contrast ratios are more of a nice-to-have than a necessity. 



Biggerboat1 said:

It's disingenuous to imply that the cost of the OLED SD is $150 more solely due to the screen. For that premium you also get a way better battery life, double the storage, better wifi & a slightly more performant chip on a more efficient process.

And I think we will see a backlash if there isn't at least an OLED variant of the SD2 when it arrives.

The other handheld PCs sell in such comparatively small numbers that the comparisons aren't particularly useful.

They don't benefit from economy of scale that S2 and to a lesser extent SD do & they also have to make a profit at sale, whereas S2 & SD can rely on recurring revenue from software sales.

There's also an economy of scale gulf between Switch vs Steam Deck. Steam Deck has only sold around 4m units of which only around 1.4m are OLED.

So if Valve can deliver a price point of $549 which includes an OLED of which they've currently only sold 1.4m, surely S2, which is likely to hit 100m+ can do the same for $100 bucks less purely through the discounts enjoyed when ordering at those exponentially higher volumes? Oh, and let's not forget for that price point, compared to S2, Valve are also including more ram, better wifi, double the storage, miles better battery life & a chipset that's in the same ballpark (undocked)...

I think a reason that these comparisons are also scewed is that for some reason the competition are all on AMD. I'm no expert but I'm guessing it's due to these other devices selling so little that Nvidia just aren't interested...

Purely by going with a newer process Nvidia could easily trounce the performance of S2, why that's not happening does seem odd to me - maybe that's a direction they'll explore, or again, maybe it's just not worth the effort for such a huge company & such a niche sector.

Don't forget that the handheld PC's are using better and faster components than the Switch 2.

That's not free.

Rog Ally X for example... Has:
* Zen 5 Cores which obliterate the Switch 2 Arm A78AE.
* Twice the RAM at 24GB.
* More RAM bandwidth.
* Chip size of 233mm2 vs Switch 2 chip size of 207mm2.
* Full fledged, much larger nvme based SSD.

...And yet it's the Switch OLED I keep gravitating back towards... Why? That OLED display beats the Switch 2 and the Rog Ally X blurry LCD panel... And it's battery life in games like Breath of the Wild is much longer which is more ideal for a handheld.

In docked mode, the Switch 2 showcases it's hardware advantages over the Switch 1, the display is no longer a turn off then.




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sc94597 said:

The main reason Switch 2 (and most PC handhelds) don't have OLED screens is because the manufacturers (including Nintendo) have prioritized free-sync/g-sync. OLED displays that support free-sync are too expensive. 

Although, Nintendo sort of botched that so far with how poor the implementation of G-Sync is on launch.

Nintendo could've gone with an OLED for probably a slightly higher price (or lower profit), but then it wouldn't have G-Sync support. 

I think they made the right decision, to be honest. More people are sensitive to screen-tearing than slightly degraded motion clarity, and OLED level colors, brightness, and contrast ratios are more of a nice-to-have than a necessity. 

Am i correct in thinking that SWOLED & Steam Deck (OLED) don't support G-sync/Freesync? 

If I am (and they don't) I find it strange that you say that most people would prefer a middling LCD with VRR as I've only ever heard people gush over the 2 OLED options...

Also, can you offer any insight into why we don't see other Nvidia solutions in this space?



Biggerboat1 said:

Am i correct in thinking that SWOLED & Steam Deck (OLED) don't support G-sync/Freesync? 

If I am (and they don't) I find it strange that you say that most people would prefer a middling LCD with VRR as I've only ever heard people gush over the 2 OLED options...

Also, can you offer any insight into why we don't see other Nvidia solutions in this space?

They don't support it on their internal screens (and not at all in Switch's case), nope. 

I can guarantee you that if the Switch 2 released with an OLED display and no G-Sync people would be disappointed. Maybe not the same people, but there will be people disappointed because G-Sync opens up more options for performance modes. Heck, people are disappointed due to lack of VRR support for external displays for this very reason.

There is also a reason why VRR was a feature added to gaming monitors long before OLED is even mainstream. And there is a reason why, for example, the Rog Ally 2 isn't going to have an OLED display despite probably going to cost nearly $1,000. 

https://www.pcguide.com/news/asus-not-willing-to-give-up-vrr-for-oled-in-the-new-rog-xbox-ally-x/

ASUS “not willing to give up VRR” for OLED in the new ROG Xbox Ally X 

We did look at OLED this year again, we did some R&D and prototyping with OLED, but it’s still not like where we want it to be when you factor in VRR into the mix. And we aren’t willing to give up VRR right now.


Edit: There is no T239-equivalent APU for purchase and ARM-support even on Linux is still nascent, so that's why nobody is using Nvidia in these handhelds.

Last edited by sc94597 - on 29 June 2025