Pemalite said:
enditall727 said:
^^^ That's cool and all but my point still stands. Nobody else is out here buying big Publishers. It's really only 1 company
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Holy thread revival batman.
Embracer acquired the publisher THQ... Tencent acquired the publisher 1C Entertainment... Bit of a stretch but they do own a minority stake in the publisher Epic Games. EA with Playdemic...
There has been publisher buyouts, Microsoft's is just notable for being the largest ones, when you are one of the most successful companies on Earth, I guess you can do that.
enditall727 said:
^^ Sony tried to push Nintendo out of the market?? They were LITTERALLY about to be business partners up until the last minute. Their partnership fell through and Sony just jumped straight into the gaming market with the PS1. They didn't "Fail" at pushing Nintendo out of the market because they didn't aim to do that. They SUCCEEDED by jumping head first into the gaming market with absolute JUGGERNAUGHTS of competition in Sega and Nintendo, then sold 100 million on 5th get hardware.
all in all, i DO get what you're trying to say here. Nobody wants Sony to be Nintendo though. Sony needs to be Sony lol
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Keep in mind that Sony's is in direct competition with Nintendo. You don't start a business venture without the goal of making as much money as you can, which means taking your competitors marketshare. So yes, Sony failed to push Nintendo out of the market like they did with Sega.
If it wasn't for mobile supporting Nintendo all along, Sony may have actually held enough marketshare with the Playstation 2 to push Nintendo out of the market as the Gamecube and WiiU were fairly notable low-points for hardware sales.
And I never asserted that anyone wants Sony wants to be Nintendo.
enditall727 said:
^^ That sh!t is tiring.. they need to strengthen Sony Japan! ... maybe i should say restrengthen the Japanese side side of Playstation Studios?
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Need the business case for it.
If it wasn't for the west adding to the sales of Japanese titles, would high budget Japanese titles even be financially viable?
Keep in mind that Japan as a nation has actually been on a population decline, so it's actually a shrinking market.
enditall727 said:
^^^ I see what you mean BUT we don't want Sony to be Nintendo. Sony needs to be Sony. Call Of Duty AND grand Theft Auto NOT being on a Playstation Console doesn't feel "DEFINITELY" impacts Playstation
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No one is demanding Sony to be like Nintendo.
enditall727 said:
aint nobody looking forward to a Playstation that's being FORCED into a Nintendo like position due to competitors acquiring whole Publishers.
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I wouldn't be against Sony having more exclusive content.
I have invested in the Switch, Series X and Playstation 5.
But if I can get those same experiences on PC, I am playing it there... Because better graphics, better framerates, more precise controls.
enditall727 said:
if i jumped 15 years forward and seen Playstion in a Nintendo position, i would say "this is not the Playstation that i know"
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The issue with Xbox and Playstation is that outside of a few exclusives, they are very similar experiences. Same graphics.
Majority of games are multiplatforms... If the platforms all have an extremely different identity with the gaming experiences they offer, I don't see it as a bad thing.
Nintendo actually offers that... And thus ends up being an "also-buy" for the console market to augment a Playstation or Xbox or even a PC.
I would like to see Microsoft and Sony differentiate themselves far more heavily, just like Nintendo does.
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Embracer acquired the publisher THQ...
Tencent acquired the publisher 1C Entertainment... Bit of a stretch but they do own a minority stake in the publisher Epic Games.
EA with Playdemic...
^^ Wasn’t THQ Dead/defunct by 2012?
1c entertainment. Can you name some games this publisher published without looking it up online? they’re not big at all
Playdemic is cool but they aren’t big either.
If you can show me something like the company “EA” getting acquired, then that would be a “big” publisher that i mean.
Keep in mind that Sony's is in direct competition with Nintendo.
You don't start a business venture without the goal of making as much money as you can, which means taking your competitors marketshare.
So yes, Sony failed to push Nintendo out of the market like they did with Sega.
^^ You can’t prove that Sony aimed to push Sega out of the market. Sony just tried to make a better product than Sega at the time. Sony was not saying “yea… this DVD combo is going to nuke those spiky-blue-fast-running-ring-collecting BASTARDS out of this market FOR GOOD!” LOL
You saying that they “failed” implies that there’s evidence that they actually AIMED to do so. Sega FAILED to adjust to the gaming landscape. Sega acted like they didn’t want to compete with a company that was willing to lose money on a console to have an edge because that’s what they were going to have to do going forward with the Dreamcast successor. Sony edging the Dreamcast was literally just Sony being “competitive”.
When it was PS3 and 360, Sony had to “ADJUST” to the gaming landscape at the time.
With the Wii U, Nintendo had to “ADJUST” so significantly that they had to abandon the console and restart fresh. That is EXTREME “Adjustment” on Nintendo’s part.
Why couldn’t Sega do this? Both Nintendo and Sony have shown that they can “ADJUST” when finding themselves in an extreme situation.
I know we all joke about PS2 killing Sega or whatever but realistically, Sega just couldn’t adjust to the gaming landscape and were defeated mentally
If MS was to leave the Console market, like how these recent rumors seem to be indicating, people will probably say "Sony" pushed them out BUT, realistically, MS just can't find a way to properly ADJUST to the current landscape and would also be known as to have been defeated mentally.
There's no real proof Sony doing this.
If it wasn't for mobile supporting Nintendo all along, Sony may have actually held enough marketshare with the Playstation 2 to push Nintendo out of the market as the Gamecube and WiiU were fairly notable low-points for hardware sales.
^^ You keep saying this but can you show me evidence that Sony is out here trying to push competitors out of the Hardware market? Maybe I’m missing something..?
Need the business case for it.
If it wasn't for the west adding to the sales of Japanese titles, would high budget Japanese titles even be financially viable?
Keep in mind that Japan as a nation has actually been on a population decline, so it's actually a shrinking market.
^^ imo, i believe the problem with high budget titles is EXACTLY that… its the budget. wth are these games doing costing 200-300 million to make anyways? it must be a combination of them paying the devs extreme salaries(lol) and them working on said title for much longer than previous games because of the whole “quality-games-take-time” thing
I think a proper medium has to be found with this.
Also, Nintendo seems to be doing fine in Japan. Sony are the ones that are fumbling lol.
Sony has to restrengthen its Japan Studios.
They don’t have “Crash Bandicoot(Japanese million seller)” anymore
They haven’t been doing anything with “Parappa The Rapper(Japanese million seller)”
Sony and Claphanz are in a “Insomniac-2012-to-2019” phase right now regarding “Hot Shots Golf(Japanese million seller)”
Final Fantasy is still good but isn’t what it used to be anymore(Japanese million seller)
All Sony has at the moment is “Gran Turismo(Japanese million seller)”
Sony has to restrengthen the Japanese side of Playstation Studios and yes it will be viable. Limiting the sales exclusively to Japan means nothing in the grand scheme of things though
I wouldn't be against Sony having more exclusive content.
I have invested in the Switch, Series X and Playstation 5.
But if I can get those same experiences on PC, I am playing it there... Because better graphics, better framerates, more precise controls.
^^ that’s cool. Me personally, I’m playing the sh!t on consoles lol. I cant do the whole PC thing.
Im also in the middle of transitioning off of digital/subscription based media back to physical
The issue with Xbox and Playstation is that outside of a few exclusives, they are very similar experiences.
Same graphics.
^^ They are similar because Microsoft aimed to be similar to them. There was an E3 back in early 360 days where Microsoft damn near mentioned “Playstation “ more than Sony mentioned “Playstation”in their own conference(lol).
They made it clear that they were trying to be Playstation. It was probably the best move to do at the time because Xbox was seen as an undercover "Playstation" with good Online and Achievements(a few areas early PS3 lacked in)
Majority of games are multiplatforms... If the platforms all have an extremely different identity with the gaming experiences they offer, I don't see it as a bad thing.
Nintendo actually offers that... And thus ends up being an "also-buy" for the console market to augment a Playstation or Xbox or even a PC.
I would like to see Microsoft and Sony differentiate themselves far more heavily, just like Nintendo does.
^^XBOX would need to do the differentiating in this case. They are the ones that started emulating “Playstation” in the first place.
I think it ultimately helped MS be more relevant and exposed some of Sony’s weaknesses which indirectly helped them in the end.
but if were going to be honest, all these companies are really doing is just adjusting to the landscape. That’s all we’re really seeing.
Last edited by enditall727 - on 13 February 2024