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Jaicee said:

I watched the movie this afternoon too and I think it's my new favorite Godzilla film!

How to describe what I just saw? This is not a campy fan service movie revolving around epic monster fights and an endless stream of nostalgic self-references. This is a passionate human story that uses a giant monster as a metaphor for post-war trauma. Minus One isn't the first Godzilla movie to do that, but is clearly distinguished by its embrace of a populist ethos. In most Godzilla movies, the major human characters are government officials, businessmen, military forces, reporters, etc.; the usual movers and shakers and influence-makers of society. In this one, it's just regular people for whom the world, and even their own government, seems to care nothing. It falls to them to try and defeat Godzilla on their own somehow.

This is not a cerebral picture at all, but rather an earnest and heartfelt plea for catharsis and humanity. In a way, watching it felt a bit like watching some Clint Eastwood drama except, you know, it being Japanese and featuring a giant monster. It's dramatic, it's emotional, it's patriotic, it's straightforward, and it's got clear heroes and they're underdogs who you can't help rooting for with all your might, and little dashes of humor in all the right places. I stress the emotional part here though because I cried through like half the movie. Okay okay, people know I'm a wimp that way, but I think that anyone with a soul at all will shed at least a few tears watching.

If there was anything I disliked about Godzilla Minus One, it was the very last scene in the picture wherein it turns out that...

Spoiler!
surprise, Godzilla's not actually dead!


Part of you probably knew that was going to happen because, of course, there is more money to be made here, but it shouldn't have because it kind of undercuts the message of the film a bit. I encourage you to just pretend that this concession to commercialism isn't there, as this is otherwise a straight-up cinematic masterpiece.

I always love reading your detailed and well thought out posts, and I never knew you into Godzilla!

I teared up a few times as well, the human story, which is usually a sideshow in kaiju flicks, was very strong here. A few scenes really got to me like

Spoiler!
Shikishima thinking he has lost Noriko after Ginza is nuked, the civilian boats all showing up to help at the end, and the veterans telling the younger crew member not to come with them and that "not having been to war is something to be proud of."

I also loved its exploration of the legacy of WW2 in Japan, of ordinary people trying to pick up the pieces and rebuild their country and their identity after such a massive trauma, but also its insistence that the war's wrongs must be learned from. I know its a very controversial topic in Japan so kudos to the filmmakers for being brave enough to address it.



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curl-6 said:

I always love reading your detailed and well thought out posts, and I never knew you into Godzilla!

I teared up a few times as well, the human story, which is usually a sideshow in kaiju flicks, was very strong here. A few scenes really got to me like

Spoiler!
Shikishima thinking he has lost Noriko after Ginza is nuked, the civilian boats all showing up to help at the end, and the veterans telling the younger crew member not to come with them and that "not having been to war is something to be proud of."

I also loved its exploration of the legacy of WW2 in Japan, of ordinary people trying to pick up the pieces and rebuild their country and their identity after such a massive trauma, but also its insistence that the war's wrongs must be learned from. I know its a very controversial topic in Japan so kudos to the filmmakers for being brave enough to address it.

You're very kind.

I discovered Godzilla back in first grade, in 1988, when a Japanese-American kid named Art who happened to be in my class told me about it after I mentioned that I liked dinosaurs. He made Godzill sound so cool. My mom got me a Godzilla vs. Megalon from the local video store just as a random pick after I shared my interest with her, which turned out to be the perfect entry for someone my age. It's one of the dumbest entries in the whole franchise and the dubbing in English is comically bad, but I was too young to notice. It had lots of super-cool kaiju action and that's what mattered to me, lol, although I do remember being upset when poor Godzilla got bloodied by Gigan. That scared me. Nonetheless I got over it and soon wound up pressuring my best friend at the time, Casey, into pretending to be Jet Jaguar as I play-acted the role of Godzilla whilst we did repeat viewings. I think my heat breath imitation was pretty spot-on if I do say so myself. (I was such a girly-girl, no? ) From there it was on to the more recent and serious picture, Godzilla 1985 (as The Return of Godzilla was known Stateside). Definitely a scarier movie that made me like Godzilla himself less since he wasn't the good guy this time around, but I got used to it in time and stopped caring whether he was good or not in these films, ha! When you're a little kid, you're shorter than most everybody and you don't have much control over your life. One can very much yearn to be taller and powerful.

Eventually I accrued all but I think four of the movies on VHS, but it was the DVD re-releases in the early 2000s that made it possible for me to finally finish out my collection and get fully up to speed. Re-watching everything at that point in life gave me a different perspective on the franchise. I started noticing the social commentary in the films more and relating to the human characters in some of the more serious movies more. I would say that my interest in some of the kiddier entries from the late '60s and '70s especially diminished a lot, but y'know, childhood nostalgia is still a thing after all.

Anyway yeah, I've followed the Godzilla movies now for just about my whole life. That kinda began as an extension of my childhood interest in dinosaurs and ultimately transformed into an interest in what this creature has meant to the people of Japan. This is a B-movie franchise for the most part, let's face it, but Godzilla Minus One is not. This is the kind of movie that has real award-winning potential, I would go as far as to say. Frankly, all the actors in this movie do an incredible job, but Ryunosuke Kamiki in particular brought an exceptional and highly convincing passion to his role as Koichi, I thought. Just the way he cries and howls and crawls around on the ground at different points in the film have a raw emotional power that transferred the magnitude of his suffering directly to my heart. "My war is not over yet" was one of the most truthful and affecting lines in the film. There was a moment toward the end of the picture where...

Spoiler!
...it seemed like the cost of defeating Godzilla had been both Noriko and Koichi, among our named characters, leaving Akiko an orphan. I was so depressed in that moment. It momentarily felt like this whole movie was completely pointless. There had been this rousing speech about how the country has treated life too cheaply and then...this; this as the conclusion? No. Something had to give here. And then you see him parachuting down and you're like "FUCK YEAH!!!"  And then, in a surprise I truly wasn't expecting, Noriko turned out to be alive too! I was admittedly annoyed that they seemed to fridge her earlier, but the poetic moment where she asks Koichi if his war is over now was 100% worth the conceit.


Also, Akiko is just ridiculously cute. Honestly, hearing babies cry normally somewhat annoys me, but not here somehow. The context and the downright unfair adorableness of Akiko broke my built-up immunity and made me tear up too.

Many accolades are deserved here.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 03 December 2023

Jaicee said:
curl-6 said:

I always love reading your detailed and well thought out posts, and I never knew you into Godzilla!

I teared up a few times as well, the human story, which is usually a sideshow in kaiju flicks, was very strong here. A few scenes really got to me like

Spoiler!
Shikishima thinking he has lost Noriko after Ginza is nuked, the civilian boats all showing up to help at the end, and the veterans telling the younger crew member not to come with them and that "not having been to war is something to be proud of."

I also loved its exploration of the legacy of WW2 in Japan, of ordinary people trying to pick up the pieces and rebuild their country and their identity after such a massive trauma, but also its insistence that the war's wrongs must be learned from. I know its a very controversial topic in Japan so kudos to the filmmakers for being brave enough to address it.

You're very kind.

I discovered Godzilla back in first grade, in 1988, when a Japanese-American kid named Art who happened to be in my class told me about it after I mentioned that I liked dinosaurs. He made Godzill sound so cool. My mom got me a Godzilla vs. Megalon from the local video store just as a random pick after I shared my interest with her, which turned out to be the perfect entry for someone my age. It's one of the dumbest entries in the whole franchise and the dubbing in English is comically bad, but I was too young to notice. It had lots of super-cool kaiju action and that's what mattered to me, lol, although I do remember being upset when poor Godzilla got bloodied by Gigan. That scared me. Nonetheless I got over it and soon wound up pressuring my best friend at the time, Casey, into pretending to be Jet Jaguar as I play-acted the role of Godzilla whilst we did repeat viewings. I think my heat breath imitation was pretty spot-on if I do say so myself. (I was such a girly-girl, no? ) From there it was on to the more recent and serious picture, Godzilla 1985 (as The Return of Godzilla was known Stateside). Definitely a scarier movie that made me like Godzilla himself less since he wasn't the good guy this time around, but I got used to it in time and stopped caring whether he was good or not in these films, ha! When you're a little kid, you're shorter than most everybody and you don't have much control over your life. One can very much yearn to be taller and powerful.

Eventually I accrued all but I think four of the movies on VHS, but it was the DVD re-releases in the early 2000s that made it possible for me to finally finish out my collection and get fully up to speed. Re-watching everything at that point in life gave me a different perspective on the franchise. I started noticing the social commentary in the films more and relating to the human characters in some of the more serious movies more. I would say that my interest in some of the kiddier entries from the late '60s and '70s especially diminished a lot, but y'know, childhood nostalgia is still a thing after all.

Anyway yeah, I've followed the Godzilla movies now for just about my whole life. That kinda began as an extension of my childhood interest in dinosaurs and ultimately transformed into an interest in what this creature has meant to the people of Japan. This is a B-movie franchise for the most part, let's face it, but Godzilla Minus One is not. This is the kind of movie that has real award-winning potential, I would go as far as to say. Frankly, all the actors in this movie do an incredible job, but Ryunosuke Kamiki in particular brought an exceptional and highly convincing passion to his role as Koichi, I thought. Just the way he cries and howls and crawls around on the ground at different points in the film have a raw emotional power that transferred the magnitude of his suffering directly to my heart. "My war is not over yet" was one of the most truthful and affecting lines in the film. There was a moment toward the end of the picture where...

Spoiler!
...it seemed like the cost of defeating Godzilla had been both Noriko and Koichi, among our named characters, leaving Akiko an orphan. I was so depressed in that moment. It momentarily felt like this whole movie was completely pointless. There had been this rousing speech about how the country has treated life too cheaply and then...this; this as the conclusion? No. Something had to give here. And then you see him parachuting down and you're like "FUCK YEAH!!!"  And then, in a surprise I truly wasn't expecting, Noriko turned out to be alive too! I was admittedly annoyed that they seemed to fridge her earlier, but the poetic moment where she asks Koichi if his war is over now was 100% worth the conceit.


Also, Akiko is just ridiculously cute. Honestly, hearing babies cry normally somewhat annoys me, but not here somehow. The context and the downright unfair adorableness of Akiko broke my built-up immunity and made me tear up too.

Many accolades are deserved here.

Nice. :)

I became a fan at 13 or 14; I started studying Japanese at school and my Dad started taping any Japanese movies that were on TV as a way to help me practice, and one night Godzilla vs Destoroyah was on; I was instantly hooked!

And yeah, in a series of mostly fun B movies, Minus One is really something else, a genuinely great piece of cinema.

The acting, the music, the direction, the writing, it's all great stuff. Even the effects work is astounding good for a film that cost just $15 million to make; less than 10% of the recent Hollywood Godzilla flicks due to Japan's film industry being a fraction the size of the US.

Spoiler!
I was also fooled by the film seemingly setting up Koichi to fulfil his role as a Kamikaze; I was worried it would make the film come off as bleak and militaristic, and the twist where it subverted those expectations was great. In most films, I would've said Noriko surviving at the end would have felt contrived, but I feel like Minus One really earned it. After all, in real life, after horrific disasters, people assumed to be dead do often end up being pulled from the rubble alive even days later.


curl-6 said:

Nice. :)

I became a fan at 13 or 14; I started studying Japanese at school and my Dad started taping any Japanese movies that were on TV as a way to help me practice, and one night Godzilla vs Destoroyah was on; I was instantly hooked!

And yeah, in a series of mostly fun B movies, Minus One is really something else, a genuinely great piece of cinema.

The acting, the music, the direction, the writing, it's all great stuff. Even the effects work is astounding good for a film that cost just $15 million to make; less than 10% of the recent Hollywood Godzilla flicks due to Japan's film industry being a fraction the size of the US.

Spoiler!
I was also fooled by the film seemingly setting up Koichi to fulfil his role as a Kamikaze; I was worried it would make the film come off as bleak and militaristic, and the twist where it subverted those expectations was great. In most films, I would've said Noriko surviving at the end would have felt contrived, but I feel like Minus One really earned it. After all, in real life, after horrific disasters, people assumed to be dead do often end up being pulled from the rubble alive even days later.

Knowing another language is impressive!

I thought Godzilla vs. Destroyah was surely the end of the franchise! Three generations of installments later...nah, Godzilla will never really die. They'll always find a way to keep him going. It's too important to too many people.

Speaking of the effects, that heat breath is what made a lot of the difference from other Godzilla movies in terms of the stakes here, I think. It's always been a staple feature of Godzilla movies (...except well that American one from '98, but let's just pretend that didn't happen), but not like this. They lengthened the build-up and like 10-upped the power of it compared to how it's normally portrayed and that made any situation where Godzilla's building up toward unleashing it feel a lot more threatening; like everything could potentially end here. That's working smarter, not harder.



Jaicee said:
curl-6 said:

Nice. :)

I became a fan at 13 or 14; I started studying Japanese at school and my Dad started taping any Japanese movies that were on TV as a way to help me practice, and one night Godzilla vs Destoroyah was on; I was instantly hooked!

And yeah, in a series of mostly fun B movies, Minus One is really something else, a genuinely great piece of cinema.

The acting, the music, the direction, the writing, it's all great stuff. Even the effects work is astounding good for a film that cost just $15 million to make; less than 10% of the recent Hollywood Godzilla flicks due to Japan's film industry being a fraction the size of the US.

Spoiler!
I was also fooled by the film seemingly setting up Koichi to fulfil his role as a Kamikaze; I was worried it would make the film come off as bleak and militaristic, and the twist where it subverted those expectations was great. In most films, I would've said Noriko surviving at the end would have felt contrived, but I feel like Minus One really earned it. After all, in real life, after horrific disasters, people assumed to be dead do often end up being pulled from the rubble alive even days later.

Knowing another language is impressive!

I thought Godzilla vs. Destroyah was surely the end of the franchise! Three generations of installments later...nah, Godzilla will never really die. They'll always find a way to keep him going. It's too important to too many people.

Speaking of the effects, that heat breath is what made a lot of the difference from other Godzilla movies in terms of the stakes here, I think. It's always been a staple feature of Godzilla movies (...except well that American one from '98, but let's just pretend that didn't happen), but not like this. They lengthened the build-up and like 10-upped the power of it compared to how it's normally portrayed and that made any situation where Godzilla's building up toward unleashing it feel a lot more threatening; like everything could potentially end here. That's working smarter, not harder.

Thanks! To be honest, my Japanese is pretty basic, I know enough to get by as a tourist or to have simple conversations, but anything technical and I am totally lost haha.

Yeah I remember crying at the end of Destoroyah. Then there was the ten year gap between Final Wars and Godzilla 2014 that felt like an eternity, where I really did worry that we'd never see him again. Glad we're so spoiled for choice now, with both the Legendary Pictures series and new entries from Toho. Speaking of which, are you watching the Monarch show?

I loved how absolutely terrifying his breath was in this one, and how they made the nuclear connection literal by having it effectively act as a tactical nuke. Brilliant stuff. I know this might be recency bias speaking but I feel like this might just be my pick for the best film in the whole series. 



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Wow, this one has really blown up bigger than expected!

- According to Box Office Mojo, it's grossed $60 million worldwide so far, against a reported budget of less than $15 million

- It's the first live action foreign language film to hit #1 at the US Box Office since 2004

- It's the highest grossing Japanese live action film in the US ever

It's so great to see it getting such recognition and success as it really deserves it; amazing film.



I saw it, yeah, it's amazing. Some great cinematography, acting, writing, score, the mood is bleak but it keeps finding a way of giving you hope through this family that stumbled into one another. It kinda reminded me of Grave of the Fireflies, though it's not that sad. I also wasn't expecting it to feel so much like a "remake" of the 1954 original, almost note-for-note with most of its plot points, and sorry to any purists out there, but I think it's simply a much better retelling of that story in every way.

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I do think Noriko showing up alive at the end was a complete cop out, there's literally no way she'd have survived what happened to her. The movie had already earned a happy-ish ending through Koichi ejecting out of the plane, making her come back just felt wrong imo. Also ending it with the shot of Godzilla being alive was pretty awful tone-wise, if they're gonna keep it going because of capitalism, maybe save that for a post-credits at least.

Also the CGI in this was absolutely amazing, barring one scene later on I thought everything looked basically real. It's on par with the best CGI in Hollywood's Monsterverse, which is insane given how much smaller the budget is. It certainly looks way better than the ugly game-y look of that new Godzilla v Kong trailer.



mZuzek said:

I saw it, yeah, it's amazing. Some great cinematography, acting, writing, score, the mood is bleak but it keeps finding a way of giving you hope through this family that stumbled into one another. It kinda reminded me of Grave of the Fireflies, though it's not that sad. I also wasn't expecting it to feel so much like a "remake" of the 1954 original, almost note-for-note with most of its plot points, and sorry to any purists out there, but I think it's simply a much better retelling of that story in every way.

Spoiler!
I do think Noriko showing up alive at the end was a complete cop out, there's literally no way she'd have survived what happened to her. The movie had already earned a happy-ish ending through Koichi ejecting out of the plane, making her come back just felt wrong imo. Also ending it with the shot of Godzilla being alive was pretty awful tone-wise, if they're gonna keep it going because of capitalism, maybe save that for a post-credits at least.

Also the CGI in this was absolutely amazing, barring one scene later on I thought everything looked basically real. It's on par with the best CGI in Hollywood's Monsterverse, which is insane given how much smaller the budget is. It certainly looks way better than the ugly game-y look of that new Godzilla v Kong trailer.

In most movies I would agree, but personally I feel like Minus One really earned

Spoiler!

the twist of Noriko being alive. There are plenty of stories of people being pulled from the rubble of disaster sites days afterwards, having survived collapsing buildings, explosions, things that should have been impossible to live through. The human body and spirit can be amazingly resilient. Especially after such a grim film, that parting ray of hope and relief felt fitting.

As for the last shot of Godzilla not really being dead, that's a series tradition at this point, seen in numerous entries over the years. It's just Toho's way of indicating that the series will continue.

And yeah, it's crazy how good it looked considering the budget was less than 10% of the Legendary Godzilla films. Really goes to show that talent and passion goes a long way.

Did you have a favourite scene/moment?



curl-6 said:

In most movies I would agree, but personally I feel like Minus One really earned

Spoiler!

the twist of Noriko being alive. There are plenty of stories of people being pulled from the rubble of disaster sites days afterwards, having survived collapsing buildings, explosions, things that should have been impossible to live through. The human body and spirit can be amazingly resilient. Especially after such a grim film, that parting ray of hope and relief felt fitting.

As for the last shot of Godzilla not really being dead, that's a series tradition at this point, seen in numerous entries over the years. It's just Toho's way of indicating that the series will continue.

And yeah, it's crazy how good it looked considering the budget was less than 10% of the Legendary Godzilla films. Really goes to show that talent and passion goes a long way.

Did you have a favourite scene/moment?

Spoiler!

Eh, I still don't buy it, but fair point. I do think that Koichi surviving was enough of a parting ray of hope and relief, and it was well earned.

I didn't know it was a series tradition, I haven't seen enough of the Toho films. Just the 1954 original and this. I should definitely check out more, Shin Godzilla seems to get lots of praise.

I think my favourite scene would be Godzilla's attack on Tokyo, it was awesome and frightnening in equal parts. And even emotional at the end.



mZuzek said:
curl-6 said:

In most movies I would agree, but personally I feel like Minus One really earned

Spoiler!

the twist of Noriko being alive. There are plenty of stories of people being pulled from the rubble of disaster sites days afterwards, having survived collapsing buildings, explosions, things that should have been impossible to live through. The human body and spirit can be amazingly resilient. Especially after such a grim film, that parting ray of hope and relief felt fitting.

As for the last shot of Godzilla not really being dead, that's a series tradition at this point, seen in numerous entries over the years. It's just Toho's way of indicating that the series will continue.

And yeah, it's crazy how good it looked considering the budget was less than 10% of the Legendary Godzilla films. Really goes to show that talent and passion goes a long way.

Did you have a favourite scene/moment?

Spoiler!

Eh, I still don't buy it, but fair point. I do think that Koichi surviving was enough of a parting ray of hope and relief, and it was well earned.

I didn't know it was a series tradition, I haven't seen enough of the Toho films. Just the 1954 original and this. I should definitely check out more, Shin Godzilla seems to get lots of praise.

I think my favourite scene would be Godzilla's attack on Tokyo, it was awesome and frightnening in equal parts. And even emotional at the end.

Shin is definitely worth checking out; it serves as something of a commentary on the Fukushima disaster and offers a unique take on Godzilla himself. Ddi you watch/enjoy the Legendary entries?

And yeah that was one of my favourite scenes as well, in addition to the naval battle and the finale.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 21 December 2023