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IcaroRibeiro said:

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Isn't it funny that the people claiming the is an agenda are the one's who don't have a viable counter to the argument especially as they're the ones going out their way to throw digs at others who hold different views instead of debate the point. For a start Rise did outsell World by quite a margin Rise was at 4m sold in Japan last year January and is likely around 5m today given the sales growth of the game since then as non Switch and PC versions only added like 600k in total sales meaning it has out sold World in the region by two thirds of its own sales so yes it did sell significantly better than World in Japan.

As for your XV dig lets take a reminder of that argument shall we XV was used as a counter argument to people highlighting a series decline and it was pointed out that XV is multiplatform with even a rerelease enhanced version which offset the decline the whole liking of the game was even an entirely separate debate itself on series identity but trust you to try and spin it and the kicker here is the numbers back the point in it being the exception you can't debunk that point so went the route of throwing out a dig, the whole argument isn't even Switch owners either which is the funny thing because it was an argument about an Xbox version as well with someone later suggesting a Switch successor version it's looking more a case of those who don't want that scenario are not liking and finding it hard to accept what others are pointing out.

This is shown in not just your own reply here which is more as a veiled attack but how Soundwave a person who is far from the hardcore switch fanatic someone tried to paint him had a dig aimed at him as well.

Last edited by Wyrdness - on 09 July 2023

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Square-Enix accepted money for exclusivity sure, but I don't think "well lets just let Final Fantasy sales in Japan sink below 750k and not see much/any franchise growth elsewhere" was ever part of the deal. They were probably hoping for a better result. 

Look at Capcom, they took money to keep Street Fighter V on Playstation 4, but it limited the brand and the game probably didn't sell as well as they hoped (a lot of the sales it got came at a heavily discounted price too, I got SFV for like $20 on Steam, otherwise probably wouldn't have bought it), it was a step down from Street Fighter IV. So they went back to multiplat for SFVI, which will probably be on the next-gen Switch and likely sell fairly well on it too.

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Square Enix shouldn't do these exclusivity deals anymore. They literally went out of their way to get a deal like that.



Wyrdness said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

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Isn't it funny that the people claiming the is an agenda are the one's who don't have a viable counter to the argument especially as they're the ones going out their way to throw digs at others who hold different views instead of debate the point. For a start Rise did outsell World by quite a margin Rise was at 4m sold in Japan last year January and is likely around 5m today given the sales growth of the game since then as non Switch and PC versions only added like 600k in total sales meaning it has out sold World in the region by two thirds of its own sales so yes it did sell significantly better than World in Japan.

As for your XV dig lets take a reminder of that argument shall we XV was used as a counter argument to people highlighting a series decline and it was pointed out that XV is multiplatform with even a rerelease enhanced version which offset the decline the whole liking of the game was even an entirely separate debate itself on series identity but trust you to try and spin it and the kicker here is the numbers back the point in it being the exception you can't debunk that point so went the route of throwing out a dig, the whole argument isn't even Switch owners either which is the funny thing because it was an argument about an Xbox version as well with someone later suggesting a Switch successor version it's looking more a case of those who don't want that scenario are not liking and finding it hard to accept what others are pointing out.

This is shown in not just your own reply here which is more as a veiled attack but how Soundwave a person who is far from the hardcore switch fanatic someone tried to paint him had a dig aimed at him as well.

Edit: Seems like I lost my replay due to connection issues *sighs* 

By the way, it wasn't a veiled attack, it was a direct attack to you. Poor Soundwave, didn't even think of him 

TLDR version because I'm not typing everything again:

-The sales I've provided are from Sony alone. If you add PC it's  3,5 million as of November 2020. 3,8 lifetime likely against 5 million Rise with all platforms plus Switch is hardly groundbreaking seeing how much better World sold outside. Rest assured next MH will be made with Playstation and PC in mind 

- Nobody is against the game being multiplat, indeed the user to got warning is waiting a PC release. Except maybe some Sony fanatics who don't even play FF anyways 

- Prioritizing Japan won't make FF financially viable. It needs to sells more globally, not in Japan. Just like Monster Hunter

- I don't see any discussions about how to make the game presentation, gameplay and design more appealing to JP or global audiences only the same tiring argument "release on Switch and it will sell better like magic", ignoring the game just don't match JP tastes and a Switch release won't change that 

Last edited by IcaroRibeiro - on 09 July 2023

Kakadu18 said:

Square Enix shouldn't do these exclusivity deals anymore. They literally went out of their way to get a deal like that.

This deal is most likely just a timed exclusive. FF XV was released on PC 2 years later and sold pretty well. Looking at the sales right now, XVI won't take much more than a few months to get a PC release. What is bothering me is they seem to have no plans for DLCs or other editions to extend the life of the game. XV greatly benefited with an enchanted royal edition, it even helped me to change my perception of the game itself, made it lot better  



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IcaroRibeiro said:

Edit: Seems like I lost my replay due to connection issues *sighs* 

By the way, it wasn't a veiled attack, it was a direct attack to you. Poor Soundwave, didn't even think of him 

TLDR version because I'm not typing everything again:

-The sales I've provided are from Sony alone. If you add PC it's  3,5 million as of November 2020. 3,8 lifetime likely against 5 million Rise with all platforms plus Switch is hardly groundbreaking seeing how much better World sold outside. Rest assured next MH will be made with Playstation and PC in mind 

- Nobody is against the game being multiplat, indeed the user to got warning is waiting a PC release. Except maybe some Sony fanatics who don't even play FF anyways 

- Prioritizing Japan won't make FF financially viable. It needs to sells more globally, not in Japan. Just like Monster Hunter

- I don't see any discussions about how to make the game presentation, gameplay and design more appealing to JP or global audiences only the same tiring argument "release on Switch and it will sell better like magic", ignoring the game just don't match JP tastes and a Switch release won't change that 

- PC sales in Japan won't give world 5m in Japan that is wishful thinking on your part as for outside of Japan Switch is likely on par with the PS4 version of world so again your point all in all falls flat especially if your attempt at a counter argument still results in Rise outselling World on two platforms in the region as rest assured Switch successor with still get its own MH in future much like Switch did.

- You and a few others seem to be hence why you're resorting to try and attack others.

- Point to where I said anything about prioritizing Japan oh that's right I never did say anything of the such highlighting my very point that you can't debunk the actual point being made where a suggestion was even given of an Xbox version to offset the decline in the region the whole prioritizing Japan is something of your own creation to utilize as a vehicle to justify you being on tilt and have some veil of having a legitimate argument to hide the fact that your hands are shaking because others have differing views.

- Poor argument games like Zelda have adjusted to appeal to Japan while maintaining appeal to global audiences your assertion that one can't happen with out sacrificing the other is flawed as for the sales part that was the whole point in Soundwave's earlier post about building up a userbase.



Soundwave said:
-Adonis- said:

I can see that you are triggered. 

Imagine loving a brand that much that you don't accept that people say it's very old tech...

And I doubt that Nintendo's next console will incorporate DLSS 3, a technology only available on 40XX graphics cards. DLSS 1 is bad tech. So come back to Earth.

Sounds like you're the one triggered, everyone knows DLSS is Nvidia proprietary tech that likely will be part of the next Switch. Also funny how you conveniently skip over DLSS 2.0+ which is fine and does everything I've said, it can take a 360p image and make it look like 720p or better, you don't need DLSS 3.0 for that. 

I'm guessing you knew that, which is why you chicken shitted out of mentioning DLSS 2.0+. 

I got a moderation warning, I was a bit mocking with the gifs, I admit it, and I apologise to everyone else for that. You, on the other hand, have always been aggressive when things don't go in the direction of the brand you idolise. Be more civil on the forum and I'll be more civil with you. Everyone will be happy.

So back to subject : believe it or not, I'm not too familiar with DLSS 2. I use DLSS 3 on games that allow it, it's really fantastic. I tested DLSS 1 on a game that only had that and it was horrible. I've never tested DLSS 2. So I did my research to find out more about DLSS 2. I have read that to have DLSS 2, you need a Geforce RTX 2060 (around €280 today) and an RTX 2080 TI (around €540 today)."

Do you think the Switch 2 can afford these prices ? I wouldn't hold my breath. So I'd bet more on DLSS 1. Then maybe I'm wrong and Nintendo will release a more expensive system than usual.

Last edited by -Adonis- - on 09 July 2023

-Adonis- said:
Soundwave said:

You, on the other hand, have always been aggressive when things don't go in the direction of the brand you idolise.

The fuck? I’ve been arguing with Soundwave on this forum for over a decade and this does not describe him at all, he has been very critical of Nintendo on many occasions and has never gotten mad when others criticize them.

You’ve been a member for 2 months, already trolling, and claim to know how a member has “always been”……..are you an alt?



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zorg1000 said:
-Adonis- said:

You, on the other hand, have always been aggressive when things don't go in the direction of the brand you idolise.

The fuck? I’ve been arguing with Soundwave on this forum for over a decade and this does not describe him at all, he has been very critical of Nintendo on many occasions and has never gotten mad when others criticize them.

You’ve been a member for 2 months, already trolling, and claim to know how a member has “always been”……..are you an alt?

I used to be cloudxtifa like I said on "Most Wanted June" (page 3) thread. Since I don't like Tifa's character anymore (tired of her simps), I changed my nickname. LOL

Mayby I'm wrong, but each time I have read a soundwave's post, he/she was always agressive. So I assumed he/she was a brand idolizer.

Sorry if I'm wrong. Like I said I'm ready to also be cool with Soundwave if he can be civilized on the forum.

Last edited by -Adonis- - on 09 July 2023

This thread ended up being even longer then the previous one. A lot of engagement in Famitsu threads recently.