twintail said:
BraLoD said:
From what we saw in Valhalla, it's pretty clear they are working on high quality assets for the Greek saga enemies and environments.
Based on that, choosing to use them to a spin off, 12 years after the last game or 15 years after 3 and not to rework the actual games to bring them back to consumers memory is just... a really bad decision, specially if the old games get a simple port and still look like PS2 and PSP games later on.
FF7 is getting 3 Remakes, and God of War games nowdays sell at least 2 to 3 times more than Final Fantasy does.
Making that kind of high quality remakes instead is a way better use of the Greek era, and would be great to keep up the massive respect the franchise have.
I don't see why that could not be the case here, instead of wasting those resources into a spin off from that era instead.
I can only see 2 possible outcomes of such a spin off:
1. One being an Atreus game about him going there, what would be a horrible decision, IMO;
2. And the other being something to connect the past saga to a new coming saga, as we didn't get to see Athena during Ragnarok, and I'm sure she will be extremely important to link the primordial times with the fissure Odin was researching to move the series foward. Which IMO needs to be a major plot point into a future mainline game, not an spin off.
So it really puzzles me why bring back the Greek story with a spin off nowdays, meanwhile making such remakes would be something amazing.
I'm looking foward to news but I really hope it's not a spin off and would be very displeased if they make it an Atreus game.
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I don't think there's nearly enough evidence to support the asset creation for a full-remake of just 1 of the Greek games, let alone all 6 of them. The assets visible in Valhalla wouldn't even cover half of the environments in Betrayal, and that's the smallest of all the Greek titles. Even if they were looking at a remake of 1, consider how much bigger in scope and locales GoW2 is.Â
If anything, a remake of Betrayal or a spin-off title for Greece makes more sense in establishing more of the assets to be used for the Greek saga. Then, when combined with some stuff from Ragnarok, they could more easily get these potential remakes done.Â
If anything, your 2 possible outcomes are very likely the same thing: a spin-off with Atreus exploring Greece centuries after Kratos left it (Ragnarok timeline), seeing how it's redeveloped and coming face-to-face with Athena to learn more about mask/ fissure w/ Odin. Because, this is an Atreus plotline, not a Kratos one.
But that said, apparently this spin-off involves Kratos. So, my hope is still a betrayal remake. But i'll take whatever GoW comes next, for the most part. Â
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First, I need to point out the source is famous for being wrong more than a few times, so I'm not even taking the spin off thing at face value, just considering the possibility as it was the last rumour we had.
Second, we are starting to mix up a few things here, one thing is what I think doesn't make sense, another is what I think would be the best possible outcome, a third one is what I believe is being done, and a last one is something I do not want to be the case.
1. I don't think it makes sense to make to make a Greek era spin off in 2025, as noted in a previous post, it has been far too long since we were there for a side story to be introduced out of the blue, 12 years since the last game, a game already criticezed for doing that, and 15 years since the last major game there, being GoW 3.
2. What I think would be the best for the franchise was to reintroduce all 6 (or 7) games, not necessary all at the same time, thus why divide it in 2 pieces that make sense to be together, with the major clear cut between them, Kratos becoming the God of War, being the end of the first part and the beginning of the second.
I know it would be a very large project, so I reckon only remaking the major games (1, 2, 3) would be a more realistic scenario, and both cases needing to be a high quality remake because it's what both the series deserves and what it always was, one of gaming most respected franchises ever. And I pointed this also based on how much the games sell nowdays compared to a similar very high quality game remake going on recently. Even added the idea of a possible third part of the remakes by joining 4, Ragnarok and Valhalla too, so Sony could make more sales without basically any work on that part, making it a bit more viable.
3. What I believe is being done is at least one of those remakes, not only because of the rumours we have for that, but because we saw work being done for it in Valhalla. I never said Valhalla had anywhere near enough to have most stuff done, specially back then, but that it was clearly them working on it, we have many enemies models, assets, the blade of Olympus, Helios, the 3 judge statues, all pointing at least GoW 2 and 3 being part of the focus of what was being done, which at least make me believe in the 1-2-3 remake.
The part about Athena is also what I believe is the major point of the series to move foward, not just a throwback, since GoW 3 we saw she became a higher form of existence, she said it herself, and since Ascension we know the Primordial beings that are older than the greek gods are responsible for creating the world, the primordial fire mentioned by Surtr, residing in Kratos blades, that made possible for the Ragnarok to be formed. Then we had the fissure Odin was researching being gone without we knowing what was there. Saving it to be a plot point coming back in the future.
To me it is very, very clear this is where the series is going, it is what the games are showing bit by bit, and where Atreus will be pivoted back into the story.
The reason Athena still lives as a higher being after being killed by Kratos, unlike any of the other greek gods, and completely changed from being a guide (while still being a liar) to being a manipulative bitch in 3, is likely, IMO, because she gained access to a higher level of knowledge, probably something primordial as teased in both sagas now, as being very important and beyond the gods. That would also fit her greatly, as the god of both wisdom and warfare too.
4. What I fear is that this very major plot point being used as part of the supposed spin off, not fully, obviously, but presented there, and not firstly into a mainline game, even worse that being on an Atreus focused game, as he, the beared of the mask in Ragnarok, is clearly going to be coming back to the story when that plot is to be happening. And I think that would be a horrible decision, not because I dislike Atreus, but because I think it's a bad decision in many ways, like Ascension was, even as the stuff in that game itself was great a lot of times, it is still the one game that kinds of "stains" the series in a lot of people minds.
Anyway, sorry for the massive post, I'm very excited for GoW news, but I want the news to be great news, as I love the franchise and think it deserves only the best.
Last edited by BraLoD - on 25 March 2025