Yeah confrontations will only escalate. ICE has zero credibility left.

ICE agents STORM McDonald’s in Minneapolis, STAFF BLOCK kitchen access WITHOUT WARRANT

In Minneapolis, ICE agents attempted to enter a McDonald’s kitchen without a judicial warrant, prompting staff to block their access and call the owner. The agents were reportedly trying to search for individuals but had no names or warrant allowing entry into the private employee area.

The staff insisted that federal agents cannot access non-public spaces without proper legal authorization, resulting in a tense standoff. The incident has sparked discussions online about legal limits of ICE authority, employee rights, and federal enforcement overreach, particularly amid heightened scrutiny following the fatal ICE shooting of Renee Nicole Good.

The Trump administration has also run out of credibility

Massive Protest Outside White House Over ICE Shooting of Renee Good Shakes Trump Admin

Massive protests shook Washington, D.C. outside the White House as demonstrators marched against intensified ICE enforcement following the fatal shooting of 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in Minneapolis. Hundreds rallied against federal immigration policies and perceived excessive force, part of nationwide “ICE Out for Good” actions demanding accountability and reform.

Minneapolis Protest Aerial View LIVE: Humongous Crowd Rallies Against ICE

Aerial view shows a massive crowd gathered in Minneapolis, united in protest against ICE after the fatal shooting of a local woman that has sparked nationwide outrage and calls to end aggressive immigration enforcement.

I do realize, but do you? Do either of us? Does anyone here? Not everyone responds to situations the same, as you said earlier, just like how not everyone see's things the same. Having enough, preferably all the evidence, before making up one's mind about exactly what transpired is a good start. Not everyone agrees with that either though.

I agree, it's tragic what's happened to America, not to mention the rest of the West...

There's still a few pillars trying to hold it all up together, thankfully.

My question was about the drivers potential reaction in reference to the passengers actions.

Nice try Mach, but no, I'm not playing this game.

Wonder why the police in countries like Finland, Germany or Spain doesn't just kill people like that and yet there's almost no officer killed in action in these countries. Almost sounds as if it's not needed in situations like that even though this happens from time to time especially also with drivers who are drunk and do shit. Do people defending this really not realize how often some asshole in a car will do even worse and yet it's not needed?

But I guess at least with ICE it's different. They could die from strong wind so they just have to do what they have to do. 

That's why there are police procedures and de-escalation training that has to be followed. 

As more keeps coming out it becomes more and more clear that the only threat the two women posed was a threat to his male ego. Normal procedure is for the police to tell you to get back in the car and move on, clear the street, or risk being cited for obstruction. (You can hear one officer tell them to move in the background at some point, conflicting orders didn't help)

There was no need for the officers to escalate the situation in the first place. He should never have drawn his gun, no imminent threat. The only 'threat' to them was they would drive off, they would have to file paperwork and a judge would likely simply throw out any charges of obstruction. (Since they would have left when asked by the officer that told them to move)

If you can't keep your calm in law enforcement it's not the job for you. This incident is as much on their supervisor and training as it is on the shooter. 

All the evidence is out there, just watch the videos from different angles. 

Yes the passenger told her wife to drive away. She'll have to live with that for the rest of her life.
 
Jonathan Ross needs to be taken off the street, he's a danger to society. He was off the mindset to teach these women a lesson. Drawing his gun for no reason, yelling at them to get out of the car, then endangering himself, his partner and bystanders by firing point blank at the driver while the engine was running and her foot was on the gas pedal.

Do you think taunting the police or disobeying (conflicting) orders warrants lethal force or even drawing your gun in the first place?

There are many orders the police give people that you're not legally required to follow. Police overstepping their reach is a huge problem. Giving impunity for killing simply when orders are not followed will only make things worse.

Here in Australia it's very rare that police discharge their firearms at all, much less kill people.

There's only one OECD country which needs to do everything different and still says it's not possible otherwise. The other 37 manage to do it differently somehow. 

ICE is not police or traffic agents. They don't have the authority to make traffic stops or do traffic enforcement, like for example ordering someone out of their car.

It happens, example this week in Belgium a guy walked with an Axe around a building, the Police came and asked him three times to drop it. He didn't and got shot and eventually bleed to death.  This kind of accidents are not common but what is common is the common sense to not make this into a Political debate because yeah the police officer was Muslim and the man with the axe wasn't.  This could have been a huge political mess even with race or religicion swaps but it was rather quiet. No need to create a fake narrative story;  no what is the most important point...Obey orders; don't provoke officers, don't mock officers and so on...

Cognitive Dissonance seems to be gone, no it is not okay to run or drive in front of police and scream shoot me/riot and damage buildings/ jump in front of police cars and say 'they are trying to run me over/say things like 'She should have run into that Ice agant with her car and killed him'

Everyday it is something and we now have Pro Hamas supporters protesting in neighbourhoods with a known Jewish population, even AOC is getting verbally attacked now by self called Democrats like Hasan.

Using a gun should be the very last resort, this is how it should be handled:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/waterloo-region-police-takedown-hatchet-man-1.7456322

The man confronts the officer with the hatchet in hand and the officer draws his gun. But instead of firing, the officer keeps his distance and starts talking to the man — a move described by Waterloo Regional Police Service (WRPS) Chief Mark Crowell as "thoughtfulness" and "compassion."

"I know that the officer has spoken to us and reinforced he was really trying to reach the person at a personal and emotional level to stop them from fighting," Crowell told reporters at a WRPS roundtable on Monday.

"I can tell you that we're really proud of the actions taken, the bravery and also the thoughtfulness, the compassion."

Ultimately, the man was taken down by the second successful attempt with the conducted energy device. Police said he was not injured and therefore the Ontario police watchdog, the Special Investigations Unit, was not called in.

The 27-year-old Kitchener man was arrested and charged with possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, assaulting police, resisting arrest, assaulting a police officer with a weapon, disarming a police officer and dangerous operation of a vehicle.



But that's just one example where the police goes above and beyond to protect the sanctity life rather than the sanctity of property / following orders.

It goes wrong here as well

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-police-involved-deaths-tracking-1.6757768

Joanne MacIsaac recalls the day in 2013 when she found out police had shot and killed her brother Michael.

"Something like that changes you," MacIsaac said.

Michael MacIsaac was shot dead by a Durham police officer while running naked through his Ajax, Ont., neighbourhood and wielding a metal table leg — a psychological episode related to his epilepsy, according to his family.

What if instead of yelling 'Drop your weapon,' police asked 'How can I help?'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/inquest-recommendations-michael-macisaac-police-1.4228506

Police related deaths are rising here as well, nothing like the US 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/?srsltid=AfmBOoqM2jopcY-E1VlSdPbr9ShR5fUsjN84_gGRz1ZiFftt1JGZD4KU

1,174 in 2024, here we look at policy changes with the average going above 30 a year. (We have about 13% of the population, 2.5% of police involved deaths)

Provincial ombudsman Paul Dubé issued a scathing review of police training in Ontario, saying police get plenty of instruction on how to use their guns, but not enough on how to use their mouths.



Cognitive dissonance is indeed gone. Complaining about language and protests while supporting fascism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, genocide, bombing other countries, pirating / bombing boats in international waters, threatening to invade allied countries.

And all the focus is on a couple protestors shouting support for Hamas (which is still the governing agency supported by Trump to maintain order so he can start building his Riviera) instead of focus on the real estate event selling stolen / ethnically cleansed land, recruiting more settlers to continue the ethnic cleansing.

But the protestors are the problem...

Since when are 'feelings' more important than lives.

The officer might have felt his life was in danger so it's self-defense (while he was filming himself with his cell phone pointing his gun at the women, could easily have stepped out of the way for self-defense from a spot he shouldn't have been in the first place, only got slightly bumped likely by the side mirror at low speed)