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konnichiwa said:
SvennoJ said:

1)Why do you have to stop them? Do they look like they're about to blow up a neighborhood?

Why do you think she became an imminent threat for bystanders for trying to get out of the way?

Are any people driving cars imminent threats to bystanders?

Since when is disobeying orders a felony or threat to bystanders?

Have some sense. In most civilized countries police chases are illegal or highly regulated as a last resort (let alone drawing a gun on people), that's what is a threat to bystanders. Yet in the US they put it on TV for entertainment. Here you get suspended when you chase a suspect at high speeds.
https://www.cp24.com/local/toronto/2025/11/12/toronto-police-officer-charged-with-dangerous-driving-in-high-speed-pursuit-of-stolen-vehicle/

From the moment they ask you to get out of a car and you drive away you are evading the police, even if they stop you for a broken rearlight..

Are people driving cars potentially a threat well technically yeah but are people who drive away from the police potentially a threat? Yes they are for sure.

Disobeying an order to leave your car can lead to jail time even in Europe.

Again though, jail time, not summary execution. 



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I generally despise X and don't like posting anything from X, but every goddamned YouTube video I tried to link to gave me an Error 153.

Anyway, it's looking pretty dangerous for Sudetenland... I mean, Greenland. 

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DekutheEvilClown said:
konnichiwa said:

I don't agree with it being 'Good' An investigation certainly should happen and thats for the judge to decide. 

But I would never say to a Friend/Family even enemy 'when Police ask to get out of the car, you should drive away' and I think anyone agrees on it.

This is one of those situations that if he/they did not shoot and she hit someone while driving away the officer(s) could have been blamed aswell.

I’m no expert, but I’m fairly certain that discharging three rounds from a firearm in a crowded street in the middle of the day is like 5 million times more likely to hurt bystanders than driving a car on a road.

And in this case, you are absolutely correct. 



Torillian said:
konnichiwa said:

From the moment they ask you to get out of a car and you drive away you are evading the police, even if they stop you for a broken rearlight..

Are people driving cars potentially a threat well technically yeah but are people who drive away from the police potentially a threat? Yes they are for sure.

Disobeying an order to leave your car can lead to jail time even in Europe.

Again though, jail time, not summary execution. 

Well atleast we are getting closer,  you seem to agree with potentially jail time.  Making people who disobey officers not innocent like some people are trying to make of her.  Like I said atleast once already I don't agree with the killing and a investigation has to happen but she did not listen I feel sorry for her after the POV because it seems it is her wife that pushed her to drive away. 






SanAndreasX said:

I generally despise X and don't like posting anything from X, but every goddamned YouTube video I tried to link to gave me an Error 153.

The easy way is probably just to take it for Trump in the short term is probably cheaper too, judging the reaction of Europe on Venezuela.



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konnichiwa said:
Torillian said:

So if police stop someone for speeding and they try to drive away is your understanding that they should shoot to kill. Because I don't think that's how it goes or how it should go. 

I don't agree with the killing but you have to stop them; the moment she drove away she also became a threat for bystanders.  Before the Garner case you could shoot anyone who commited a Felony and run away but now only if they are possible a threat.

Actually police protocol is that you do not have to stop them.  This is why ignorance of a situation gives way to ignorant opinions based on how you feel a situation should be handled compared to how it should.  At no point was she ever a threat to bystanders and you are making up this scenerio to support your opinion.  As I stated, key protocol is that as an officer and that goes for ICE as well, you never put yourself in front or behind a car.  You cannot put yourself into a dangerous situation then claim self defense.  You also seem to forget that he shot her 3 times in the face.  Have you ever used a gun because its very clear his intention was to kill her.  

The real issue I see is that you seem to give the green light for any police officer to use lethal force no matter what.  That they cannot judge a situation and just move out of the way which mind you their protocols address this exact situation.  When you give the green light to all incidents with police where it boils down to either comply or die, what exactly do you expect to happen.



konnichiwa said:
Torillian said:

Again though, jail time, not summary execution. 

Well atleast we are getting closer,  you seem to agree with potentially jail time.  Making people who disobey officers not innocent like some people are trying to make of her.  Like I said atleast once already I don't agree with the killing and a investigation has to happen but she did not listen I feel sorry for her after the POV because it seems it is her wife that pushed her to drive away. 

She should not have driven away and it's quite possible that if she were alive that she would get in trouble in the courts. But instead she was shot and killed. And so I'm much more concerned about the actions of the policeman in this case, then how this woman could have avoided this confrontation. 

My sons are half black and when they get older my wife or I will likely have to have a discussion with them about how to deal with police. And if they don't heed these warnings and are someday shot and killed because they didn't have their hands on the steering wheel the entire time or the police thought they were reaching for something I will lament that they didn't listen to my advice but will still fully blame the policeman that shot them. That is how I view this as well. The woman driving away is lamentable in that she did not act perfectly around this policeman but that in no way justifies what was done. 



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A cop discharging their firearm should be a last resort, not a first resort.

Maybe she shouldn't have driven away, but I'd hardly say doing so justifies a death penalty.



When the only tool you have in your toolbox is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. The American approach to policing in a nutshell.



Torillian said:
konnichiwa said:

Well atleast we are getting closer,  you seem to agree with potentially jail time.  Making people who disobey officers not innocent like some people are trying to make of her.  Like I said atleast once already I don't agree with the killing and a investigation has to happen but she did not listen I feel sorry for her after the POV because it seems it is her wife that pushed her to drive away. 

She should not have driven away and it's quite possible that if she were alive that she would get in trouble in the courts. But instead she was shot and killed. And so I'm much more concerned about the actions of the policeman in this case, then how this woman could have avoided this confrontation. 

My sons are half black and when they get older my wife or I will likely have to have a discussion with them about how to deal with police. And if they don't heed these warnings and are someday shot and killed because they didn't have their hands on the steering wheel the entire time or the police thought they were reaching for something I will lament that they didn't listen to my advice but will still fully blame the policeman that shot them. That is how I view this as well. The woman driving away is lamentable in that she did not act perfectly around this policeman but that in no way justifies what was done. 

Disheartening to even believe that your children need to grow up with that even being an issue.
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