sc94597 said:
You start your post here mischaracterizing the argument made. The argument wasn't words don't have meaning. It was the meaning of words are relational and inter-subjective. That's the basis of much of semiotics. We can literally measure this when we embed semantics in vector spaces. |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersubjectivity
Intersubjectivity is a term coined by social scientists beginning around 1970[citation needed] to refer to a variety of types of human interaction. The term was introduced to psychoanalysis by George E. Atwood and Robert Stolorow, who consider it a "meta-theory" of psychoanalysis.[1] For example, social psychologists Alex Gillespie and Flora Cornish listed at least seven definitions of intersubjectivity (and other disciplines have additional definitions):
- people's agreement on the shared definition of a concept;
- people's mutual awareness of agreement or disagreement, or of understanding or misunderstanding each other;
- people's attribution of intentionality, feelings, and beliefs to each other;
- people's implicit or automatic behavioral orientations towards other people;
- people's interactive performance within a situation;
- people's shared and taken-for-granted background assumptions, whether consensual or contested; and
- "the variety of possible relations between people's perspectives".[2]
Let me ask you something simple then. When did everyone suddenly agree to change the definition of these words? I sure as hell don't remember being invited.
Uncanny how the definition always gets changed by people who want to throw them around without consequence.
Now people who have infamously been labeled with 'extremist', 'far-right', 'fascist' and 'Nazi' are suddenly being mudered, and no one wants to take responsibility for these words anymore?
Let me show you an actual history of these words and their definitions that, last time I checked, are still correct by most dictionary definitions (even though half of them are co-opted by activists):
the-pi-guy said:
This isn't remotely what was said.  It's hard to take anything you've said seriously, if you're either so incapable of understanding what arguments are being made, or if you're being intentionally dishonest about what arguments are being made. Â
Most people here have been trying to follow whatever evidence/argument seems to come out.  Still kind of waiting for better confirmation. I think the better evidence right now points to them being left leaning. But if it was that simple, the media wouldn't have to be digging so hard to find trans people that he associated with.  I also looked back at the past 20 pages, with ctrl + F to search the pages (which admittingly has had issues before), to find people calling Charlie Kirk an extremist. And I didn't get any hits. I doubt most people you're accusing of, even care if it is 100% a left winger. It doesn't particularly change what happened. There is always extremist violence in the first place, and most of it isn't done in the name of left wing politics.  |
Literally just one page back: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9614999
"Once you enter the area of extremism - which is where Charlie Kirk is located in when it comes to politics - then Kirk being not extreme enough suffices as a reason to kill him.
The reason why far-right thinking leads to many more killings than far-left thinking is because the far-right's most common form (fascism) is explicitly about killing and getting rid of political opponents or groups of people who don't fit a clearly defined racial profile."
Cotinuing to spread slurs that dehumanise people. The exact same slur used by the radical shooter even. With many people agreeing.








