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sc94597 on 16 September 2025
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Shaunodon said:
RolStoppable said:

What are you arguing? That the Nazis weren't bad or that Runa is as bad as a Nazi?

The latter.

If you exhibit the evil you accuse others of, you are that evil.

Everyone here needs a very long look in the mirror.

sc94597 said:

"When did everyone suddenly agree to change the definition of these words? I sure as hell don't remember being invited." 

Think of language like the market. There is no central authority that causes semantic shift to happen just like there is no central authority (outside of unique contexts) that sets the prices of goods. These arise through stigmergy or spontaneous order. 

Your "actual history of these words" is ridiculous. It is extremely telling that every right-leaning or right-wing person in this thread shares propagandized Youtube videos as their "sources of information." Do you guys read books or papers at all? Or is knowledge gathering through a rigorous process of validation just too "elitist" and "left-wing?" 

Socialism is a word that describes a wide-range of views and has always had nuance. So much so that you had people like G.D.H Cole write five volumes on the topic in works like A History of Socialist Thought. That was in 1953-1960. 

As for the Nazis, they quite explicitly aimed to carve out a new definition of socialism that fit their right-wing (hierarchy-oriented) view of class. In reality, they were about as socialist as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is a democracy, or even really a republic, at this point. 

5 hours of exhaustively documented rebuttals, and you just shrug it off as 'propagandised YouTube video'.

Yeah, that's about as much conviction in your beliefs as I was expecting.

Yes, because "rebuttals" is not how science, even social science, primarily works. I am not watching 5 hours of propaganda because you can't intelligently make your own arguments.

I counter your 5 hours of propaganda with you reading G.D.H Cole's fifth volume where he explains the influence of socialism on fascism, and how they differ.