I asked a question...how is that gaslighting?

That's fair, and answers the question sufficiently.  Thanks pi guy.

To return the favor, I find it troubling that suddenly many people who say it as a wacky conspiracy have suddenly decided to champion the cause since it reeks of TDS-fueled political expediency.  I'm not saying that the Trump/Bondi/etc thing isn't political theatre; it clearly is to anyone who's paying attention. 

But objectively, this is just more of the same from everybody (most politicians, pundits, the media and the fanboy/girls rallying for 'their team').  The same, that is, except that the Overton Window is now being shifted to the point that we're willing to make hay over the forced rape and trafficking of minors.   

That this happened is now not in dispute: Jeffrey and Ghislaine didn't go to jail for nothing, with the former actually making it through her trial and conviction; the girl who was in the terrible photo with Prince Andrew is now gone after mysterious circumstances took her life; and there's also the matter of those portraits that Epstein had of Bush Jr and Clinton in unflattering depictions.

I do wish that many people who are glad that Trump might get sucked up into this now -- after ample opportunity for his political enemies not just to do damage to him through it, but also while they were trying to charge him with anything short of a traffic ticket which would stick him in prison -- would see the forest for the trees here and put their partisanship aside just long enough to fight alongside those on the right in a show of unity unseen since 9/11 to confront a clearly perceived evil. 

This is bigger than any one President.  It's bigger than the political system in the west itself and points to the growing body of evidence which we've been getting for years that human trafficking of minors has become quite the business among the elites, unless you think Taken was just a crazy idea that the studio which knew what Harvey Weinstein worked around made up.

I don't know if we can get the full truth now.  The FBI has had far too much time to doctor people in or out of the evidence in order to satisfy their own goals.  If we don't confront the great evil of a pedophile ring operating in our nations, the abuse of innocent children it brings, and the lies created to surround it, regardless of who the guilty parties are, our civilization will have richly earned its own demise and destruction.  

Justice must be done.

The way you frame this makes it look like people who aren't on the right are campaigning for only Trump (and Republican-affiliated people) to get exposed and punished. Who exactly is doing that actually?

I just came across a new Harvard study suggesting that the actual death toll in Gaza may be closer to 400,000, with half of them being children. That’s 400,000 lives lost, 200,000 children lost in just two years, that's saying nothing about the children who are currently limbless because of this war. These are not Hamas numbers. 

For those who have nothing to say about the matter besides "you're diluting the term genocide". What else do you want to call it? and can you please tell us when we can use the term appropriately? with active mass starvation going on and plans of ethnic cleansing publicly discussed, What can we call this? What makes you comfortable? 

One of Trump's most recent statements; "They know what happens after you get the final hostages out, and basically, because of that, they didn’t really want to make a deal", sounds to me like he's saying that there is a lot more to be done by Israel and its allies after the hostages are released. 

Trump now claims he was never briefed that his name is in the Epstein files

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 25 July 2025 at 20:48

TRUMP JULY 15: "A very quick briefing, yeah."
TRUMP JULY 25: "No, I was never briefed. No."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 25 July 2025 at 21:58

Trump tells reporters to stop talking about Epstein but if they do talk about it they should talk about Clinton

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 25 July 2025 at 20:50

Trump on Epstein files: I'm focused on making deals and not conspiracy theories that you are. I watch you people, it is so sad. Talk about the success of our country instead of this nonsense you talk about over and over.

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 25 July 2025 at 20:52

This is truly insane. We are witnessing one of the most corrupt cover-up schemes in history—and it's all playing out in plain view.

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— MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 25 July 2025 at 22:25

Ghislaine Maxwell Attorney: We haven't spoken to the president or anybody about a pardon just yet. The president this morning said he had the power to do so and we hope he exercises that power in a right and just way.

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 25 July 2025 at 19:36

An influencer leading the "Free Ghislaine" movement says people "intimately connected to the White House" reached out to her for advice prior to interviewing Maxwell

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— MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 25 July 2025 at 21:14

Attorney for Ghislaine Maxwell: She was asked maybe about a hundred different people. She answered questions about everybody and she didn't hold anything back.

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 26 July 2025 at 01:08

Moskowitz: And honestly, listening to my colleagues, they don’t even believe the shit coming out of their own mouths. They know he’s in the files. He was clearly very close with Mr. Epstein. His name is all over these files. All over them. So it’s embarrassing.

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 26 July 2025 at 01:27

Blow: There are a lot of people who are going to be in those files. None of them are behaving like Donald Trump is behaving like they have something that he has to hide, that he has to protect, and that is very suspicious

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 26 July 2025 at 03:21

Phillip: He denied being briefed on the files, which he was.

He denied knowing Prince Andrew, despite pictures of them together, including at mar-a-lago.

And he denied being on Epstein's plane when he had many times.

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— Acyn (@acyn.bsky.social) 26 July 2025 at 03:41

Ghislaine Maxwell returned to prison carrying a mysterious box following her interview with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, leading to more questions about the convicted sex trafficker and the Trump administration.

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— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast.bsky.social) 25 July 2025 at 03:35

MAGA are calling out Trump for now but I wonder how long it will last, the real test for them will be when/if Maxwell comes out like "Trump is 100% innocent guys, it's only Democrats that are guilty" after her meeting with Trump's defence attorney, will MAGA call it out for the obvious bullshit it would be or will they use it as their off-ramp and blindly believe a pedo having behind closed doors meetings with the team of the accused.

Unbelievable. Epstein cover-up aside, Ghislaine Maxwell was still a disgusting pimp for Epstein and his clients. She needs to never see the outside of a prison ever again. Didn’t they learn their lesson the first time they gave Epstein a sweetheart deal? 

Again, I'm not sure why you're pointing this out as some sort of gotcha, we've literally been saying before you that this is a rare case of MAGA turning on Trump, we just aren't sure how long it will last because of how cultish they have been in the past. You pointed out an example that was already pointed out, Lol. Nobody is refuting that some MAGA are upset about this for now.

If you want to talk about ignoring posts, you've made numerous claims in the thread, then whined when others have told you to back your claims up, then completely ignored peoples responses to some of your claims, even when they've used actual sources to back up their rebuttals. Then you just move on to some weird grudge you seem to have against Pi.

Who said what was a whacky conspiracy theory? Qanon is a whacky conspiracy theory, Pizzagate is a whacky conspiracy theory. As for Epstein, the most that has been said is that there probably isn't a list like "All My Pedo Friends" but there will very likely be thousands of files and some which incriminate a lot of people. Nobody has said that it's a conspiracy theory that Epstein had pedo friends on all political sides.

We all agree with that, so release the files and lets see who is incriminated and bring the pedos to justice, whether it be Donald Trump or Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton. We don't give a fuck who it is, what their political allegiance is, they should all be brought to justice. Nobody gives a fuck about Bill Clinton or anyone else, I would happily throw any Democrat to the wolves if it turns out they are a pedo.

It's entirely Trump's fault it is in the spotlight again but who cares, it's a good thing the world is talking about it again, and now Trump is quite clearly desperately trying to get out of having to release the files and quite clearly trying to cut a deal with Maxwell and of all the possible pedos in Epstein's circle, Trump is the one acting the most guilty so of course the focus is on him.

Some hundred million Americans are so shocked about all of this that they can't even leave their chair or couch they write from to do something against what's happening.

Trump could just give the order for CNN and others to shut down tomorrow to only have the news about him he wants (exactly like in Russia and other countries) and it still wouldn't change much. A few thousands people here and there would demonstrate for some days and that's it