| thehunter said: Sadly you failed the test pi guy. At least SvennoJ had the dignity and integrity to engaged on this one honestly so I've posted the links anyway. Be a better man next time! |
You failed to answer the question correctly.
RolStoppable said:
Let's take another look then: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9597930
It's right there. You said that Southern leaders used their desire to uphold slavery as a moral cause to get Southerners to sign up for their military. There's no ambiguity here.
You have no ground to stand on to begin with, so you are indeed better off by saving yourself the time. |
Quote me saying it was a cause worth dying for. Reading compression goes a long way!
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| SvennoJ said:
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Well put Svenno!
I hear what you're saying about the two-party system failing the US as well, and that criticism has been around for much longer than people realize. Personally, I'm predisposed to the warning that some of the US founding fathers has to avoid parties and factions (Washington was the only president to manage this during his term) since it caused the bucketing coalitions which you mentioned, along with the personality cult effects we've seen recently with Trump and Obama before him.
With that in mind, I also don't think we've seen a system where parties, including multiple parties, have successfully bucked corruption and reflected the will of the people. I used to live under a system with roughly 5 parties represented at a time and all it meant was that you effectively had five members of the government with different voting weights; party discipline was strictly enforced unlike the US where you can have a Rand Paul or John Fetterman go off the official script but still participate in the process.
Being familiar with comparative politics, the same flaw exists in any variation of party-based democracies: Germany's neglect to address the immigration issues AfD brings up becuase "aaaah, imagined mustache man associations!" (even though the leader is an open lesbian); Australia's ranked system still leading to an essentially two party system with strict party whipping; Japan's chaos as demonstrated this month with their latest elections.
I'm not going to say I have the solution totally figured out, but I'll offer two ideas I think have actually worked well here in the US:
1) the aforementioned lack of party discipline due to the primary system the Americans employed. In fact, as John Fetterman and Kyrsten Sinema both recently demonstrated, the system is more under threat when the party bosses are trying to enforce a forced consensus
2) a fun story from US history was the the original first amendment to the constitution proposed would limit federal districts to populations of approx. 50,000 citizens (so there goes the illegals vote). If this were applied today, we'd be talking about roughly 6,000 members in the House of Representatives. The first reaction to this is naturally "wow, good thing we don't have so many politicians", but upon further reflections, I'm wondering if this was a missed opportunity to force even a national body to be deeply rooted in local matters and responsive.
Anyway, I'll stop there since I'm sure RolStoppable will already slanderously twist my content into an endorsement for the Nazis now! (as always, reading comprehension matters!)
thehunter said:
Well put Svenno! |
No need for bringing up Nazis, you could as easily bring up Commies lol. China's one party system is authoritarian but at least gets things done. (Actually their are 8 non communist parties under the CPC but they can't challenge the official party)
But indeed, every 'democracy' is slowly turning into a fascist oligarchy. The erosion of the middle class is universal under all our western democracies, and all the fascist/populist parties do is take advantage of that to blame immigrants for rise of living costs. Which are really just middle class wages being stagnant since the 1980s.
You have the left trying to 'fix' this with social security, which is ludicrous when you think about it. The middle class should not need social security, social security is meant for the poor and those that can't work. But we're steering the entire middle class into the 'poor' while having to raise taxes / go into debt to be able to provide social security for the entire middle class.
The right tries to 'fix' this with tax cuts and deregulation, which have shown to only increase inequality, further driving the need for social assistance for the middle class. Meanwhile the rich get richer and gain more and more power over our democracies.
Late stage capitalism is where we are. And as long as politics run on scandals, not much will change. Are Democrats really that different from Republicans, both are struggling to make ends meet. However the entranced media keeps everyone pitted against each other and oblivious to the bigger picture while the 1% is laughing all the way to the bank.
| thehunter said: Thanks SvennoJ. It unfortunately shows that there a few folks here, like pi guy, who don't have any exposure to people who think differently than they do in their lives. It's a shame because they would find, if they engaged with others, that the MAGA electoral alliance isn't a uniform cult. (to paraphrase pi guy: not 50% of the country is in on Trumpism just because they voted for him) It's dishonest to suggest, as pi guy did, that the right is not self-assessing. The evidence is pretty clear if you just look at how Congress has behaved during the last 20 years: |
That's only one example and one which all of us evil Democrat, Socialist, Leftist, Communist have already pointed out, as a rare example of MAGA actually turning against Trump. Congratulations on providing the one example that we've already provided and have been speaking about in this thread. Now lets see how long it lasts or if they'll come up with an excuse soon to fall back under Trump.
Republicans tolerate dissenting voices like Rand Paul, Chris Christie, and Mitt Romney.
Is this a joke? Lmfao. Mitt Romney was a more traditional Republican and was utterly ripped apart by MAGA for being like that, even though Mitt Romney himself has some awful views, it wasn't good enough for MAGA because he didn't kiss Trump's ring. The MAGA cult labelled him a RINO along with any other Republican who didn't bow down to Trump.
There's a reason why the only time a Republican in House/Senate goes against Trump it's when they're heading for retirement, only then do they suddenly grow a spine, because anyone who dares to speak out against Trump gets viciously attacked by his lunatic cult. Republicans are now split between the MAGA cult, the fiscal Republicans who may not agree with the fascism but don't care as long as they make money and then more moderate Republicans who are terrified of speaking out against Trump.
How was Tulsi expelled? There's no procedure for expelling her from the Democrat Party. Did you miss when Tulsi Gabbard talked a ton of shit about Trump only a few years ago and likewise Trump her? Now MAGA is suddenly defending her because she kissed Trump's ring, showing how much of a massive hypocrite and two faced "Democrat" she was. Tulsi Gabbard is a pro-Assad/Putin idiot who is desperate for power so she'll throw away all her morals and principles to achieve power, hence why she threw in with Trump who even recently said he doesn't care what she says, Lol.
RFK Jr is a anti-vax moron and John Fetterman is a rude little twat too.
A few posts ago you said this...
| thehunter said: As I've said earlier, those on the right or in the MAGA movement are at least honest enough to criticize their own when they do something wrong or hypocritical.  |
Now you're suddenly upset with Democrats who criticize their own?
| thehunter said: I don't know if you were born here or not, but I've experienced the leftism which you clearly admire first-hand: the lies, the manipulation, the poverty and yes, the murders. |
All these things happen in right wing countries too, Lol.
| thehunter said: You cry wounded cat regularly here and demand others support their positions with citations or links but you can't seem to measure up to your own standard, let alone the expectation that the US shoulders on its citizens to, as Ben Franklin put it, keep the republic. How many Chinese, North Korean, European, South American and Caribbean residents would risk life and limb to have the experience you enjoy tonight as you selectively look to score political points and dismantle the system that millions in the rest of the world envy? |
If you're going to make the claims then you should back your claims up. Pi-Guy does that just fine, meanwhile you're complaining about being asked to do it.
| thehunter said: How many Chinese, North Korean, European, South American and Caribbean residents would risk life and limb to have the experience you enjoy tonight as you selectively look to score political points and dismantle the system that millions in the rest of the world envy? |
Damn, the arrogance, Lmao. America is the greatest country in the world and every single country wishes it was America. Speaking as a European, I'm very happy I'm not in America right now. You clearly just look down on those in China, Europe, South America, etc. Most European countries have it just fine, America shares the same issues as every other country; Poverty, Murder, etc. It's not some unique utopia that you're trying to make it out to be.
Having said that, I'm sure Hungarians would love to have the American system that Trump is trying to dismantle and turn into Hungary 2.0
| thehunter said: Again, do yourself and your fellow Americans a favor and start asking folks who voted for Trump what they see their aim as and those from other parts of the world why they're clamoring to get here. In closing, I'll borrow a favorite leftist line: educate yourself. |
We already know.
Clamouring to get there? Tourism to America is tanking, Lol. If tourism is taking such a harsh dip then you can bet your ass that so is people wanting to live there fulltime.
You make claims that are easily refuted, that is why you moan about having to provide sources, maybe you should educate yourself.
thehunter said:
Germany's neglect to address the immigration issues AfD brings up becuase "aaaah, imagined mustache man associations!" (even though the leader is an open lesbian); |
She can't be a fascist because she's lesbian? Lol.
AfD is so fucked up that even RN (French Far-Right Party) has cut ties with them because Maximilian Krah, an AFD member, told the Italian newspaper La Repubblica that "SS were not all criminals".
People call Putin the modern day Hitler, or Netanyahu, the latter definitely isn't killing Jews, so that means he can't be a Nazi right? Wrong, when people say someone is a Nazi they don't mean they're an exact clone of Hitler in every possible way and share all his beliefs and opinions, they just mean it's a person who is creating an us vs them mentally and using it to exterminate a whole group of people.
AfD is a fascist party, no doubt about that. Whether it is because they were having secret meetings with a known Neo-Nazi, or their "real Germans" rhetoric, or using the Nazi slogan "Everything for Germany" multiple times, then changing it to "Alice for Germany" or making up bullshit like Hitler was a Communist despite the fact that Hitler hated communism, because AfD want to distract people from the fact that Hitler was a far-right fascist like they are. Having ties to Young Alternative for Germany which is a far-right extremist group. Wanting to remove disabled kids from regular schools. And they've made clear they support Russia by demanding we remove sanctions on Russia and officially recognise Crimea as Russian.
Alternative for Germany (AfD) Party: What You Need To Know | ADL
Björn Höcke, leader of the AfD party in the state of Thuringia, has twice been fined by a German court for using a banned Nazi slogan. The phrase, “Everything for Germany” (“Alles für Deutschland”) was a slogan of the Nazi stormtroopers and engraved on their daggers.
In a 2017 speech to the AfD youth wing, Höcke bemoaned German’s culture of remembrance of the Holocaust, saying, “We Germans, our people, are the only people in the world who planted a monument of shame in the middle of our national capital.” He called for Germany to stop atoning for Nazi crimes and make a "180-degree turn" in how it remembers its past.
Alexander Gauland, an AfD co-founder, former party leader, and current Member of Parliament, has engaged in Holocaust trivialization on several occasions. In a 2018 speech to the AfD youth wing, he said, “Hitler and the Nazis are just a speck of bird poop in more than 1,000 years of successful German history.” Gauland also said in 2017 that Germans should be “proud of the achievements of German soldiers in two world wars.”
AfD leaders have also threatened to deport German citizens of non-ethnic-German heritage.
In its 2017 election manifesto, AfD asserted that the presence of Muslims in Germany was a threat to the country: “Islam does not belong in Germany. The AfD sees the spread of Islam and the presence of over 5 million Muslims, whose numbers are constantly growing, as a great danger to our state, our society and our system of values.”[2]
AfD members were exposed as participants in a November 2023 secret meeting of far-right extremists in Potsdam, including Austrian neo-Nazi Martin Sellner, who discussed a mass deportation plan for foreigners and "non-assimilated" Germans, as part of AfD’s strategy should it be elected to govern Germany.
In 2017, AfD co-leader Alexander Gauland said that Aydan Özoguz, a Socialist Party politician, who was born in Germany to Turkish immigrant parents, should be “disposed of” in Turkey. Current AfD leader, Alice Weidel, then co-leader with Gauland, defended Gauland’s statement.
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But oh damn, Alice is a lesbian, so it's all cool, her party can't possibly be fascist.
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thehunter said:
Quote me saying it was a cause worth dying for. Reading compression goes a long way! |
It's right up there. If it hadn't been a cause worth dying for, slavery could not have served as a propaganda tool for Southern leaders.
By the way, there's probably nobody here who disagrees with the argument that Southerners in the Civil War fought for upholding slavery. The only one who tried to argue otherwise was you when you brought up state rights, an old and already exposed lie of the far-right which served the purpose of plausible deniability. That's why it was striking that you let it slip that Southerners viewed slavery as a good moral cause to go to war, because that's the thing you wanted to avoid saying all along.
Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.
I’m going to go way out on a limb and predict 3 things after this takes place:
1. DOJ will announce Maxwell completely exonerated Trump.
2. They will lie and announce they made no deals or promises to her.
3. The deal they made with her will happen at the end of Trump’s term.
— Ron Filipkowski (@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social) 24 July 2025 at 02:45
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Yeah, I could see that, though I think if he went as far as pardoning her he'd probably get another Republican trying to assassinate him, Lol.
Tim Burchett admits that House Republicans may agree to ask DOJ to reduce the sentence of sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell in exchange for her testimony, if they like what she has to say.
— Ron Filipkowski (@ronfilipkowski.bsky.social) 24 July 2025 at 14:08
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Basically Republicans will help a paedophile if she lies to help Trump.
SvennoJ said:
No need for bringing up Nazis, you could as easily bring up Commies lol. China's one party system is authoritarian but at least gets things done. (Actually their are 8 non communist parties under the CPC but they can't challenge the official party) |
What exactly do you mean by the left tries to fix with social security and the middle class shouldn’t need social security?
I guess I don’t really know what your definition of social security is in the instance, like do you consider expanding access to health care or subsidizing child care or increasing the minimum wage or strengthening unions as forms of social security or do you mean something more like a universal basic income where everybody gets direct cash payments?
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.
The Post quotes a "jailhouse source" as declaring, "Before, she would tell everybody that she was waiting for Donald Trump to be reelected and become president, that things were going to be different then. . . . Max was quite confident that things were going to change with her case. . . . Freedom is 100 percent her focus. She says, 'I will not be here in 20 years.'"
Ghislaine Maxwell believes President Trump will save her
NEWSMAX: What do you make of this report that Trump is named in the Epstein files?
ZINKE: I talked to Pam Bondi. The list as I understand it is a victim list. There's nothing there, I can assure you, with the president that would lead to any other conclusion but that he knew him. That's it.
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 24 July 2025 at 15:54
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So Trump was a victim of Epstein? Lmao.
Gimenez: "I haven't heard from my constituents. Americans are over the Epstein case. They have been over it for a long time ... we need to move on."
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 24 July 2025 at 15:46
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"She deserves to be out. And maybe she never deserved to be in there in the first place" www.mediamatters.org/greg-kelly/n...
— Media Matters for America (@mmfa.bsky.social) 24 July 2025 at 14:46
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UPDATE on MSNBC: Deputy AG Todd Blanche and Ghislaine Maxwell, along with Maxwell's attorneys, are meeting now in the Federal Courthouse in Tallahassee.
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1.bsky.social) 24 July 2025 at 17:35
The meeting is expected to last throughout the day.
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"[Ghislaine Maxwell's] willingness to brazenly lie under oath about her conduct... strongly suggests her true motive has been and remains to avoid being held accountable for her crimes"
— US Acting Attorney, 2020
— FactPost (@factpostnews.bsky.social) 24 July 2025 at 17:37
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