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[SvennoJ]

thehunter said:

Thanks SvennoJ.

I'll take that as a gesture of goodwill.  Here are a few of the key MAGA folks going after Trump for breaking his Epstein files promise:

Tim Pool: https://youtu.be/NLx8iKF15ug?si=kCOObuAe_Jbx3WhG 
Doug Wilson: https://youtu.be/XwWFnuls814?si=Afsb2t0mkyAD8byF
Alex Jones: https://youtu.be/29AniQj3TGw?si=LlBFl5EI7LW7pVI

It unfortunately shows that there a few folks here, like pi guy, who don't have any exposure to people who think differently than they do in their lives.  It's a shame because they would find, if they engaged with others, that the MAGA electoral alliance isn't a uniform cult. (to paraphrase pi guy: not 50% of the country is in on Trumpism just because they voted for him)

It's dishonest to suggest, as pi guy did, that the right is not self-assessing.  The evidence is pretty clear if you just look at how Congress has behaved during the last 20 years:

Republicans tolerate dissenting voices like Rand Paul, Chris Christie, and Mitt Romney.

Democrats, in contrast, have a track record recently of expelling those who don't pass the purity test: Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, and John Fetterman (in-progress, admittedly).

The Republican party is divided over Trump's policies, plenty articles about a split in the GOP. Same for the Democrats.

Just some recent examples
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/shutdown-showdown-leaves-democrats-deeply-divided-politics-desk-rcna196545
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/us/politics/republican-divide-spending-debt.html

All that tells me is that the 2 party system isn't working anymore (if it ever really did). Republicans and Democrats have only entranced themselves more and more as polar opposites (while they're both being ruled by the billionaire class) but as an outsider most of it feels for show. Where the Republicans use immigration as a scare tactic, Democrats use abortion and trans rights. Both are good issues, however the real problems go unaddressed. Both are distracting from the destruction of the working/middle class which has been going on since the 1980s.   

It doesn't feel like Americans have a real choice in politics, both options are bad. Both parties need to be split and start listening to their actual bases. (And held to account for their party promises) 

Now it does seem Republicans fall in line more when it comes to voting while Democrats are more divided in votes but otherwise Republicans seem to be divided all the same. 



And now I find it the utmost hypocrisy how both sides are all over the Epstein files for child rape while both continue to support the killing of 17,000 children (so far) and maiming another 30,000+ while deliberately starving the rest (about 80 so far died of starvation). 

Yes, the Epstein files need to be released, heck they might even shed some light on the Gaza genocide support / unwillingness to do something. (Some rumors about Mossad involvement with Epstein which all seem to link back to Tucker Carlson) However the urgency is over 2 million people getting deliberately starved to test how far international law can be pushed.