sundin13 said:
the-pi-guy said:
And what does this peaceful resolution look like to you?Â
Because it keeps sounding like you think the Russia's invasion of Ukraine is in America's hands. It's not. It's in Russia's, it has nothing to do with America. Ukraine wants to retain it's own sovereignty, doesn't even have anything to do with Zelenskyy.Â
I'm not sure how likely it is that Trump will support Ukraine, even with the minerals deal.Â
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I'm definitely not fire's biggest fan, but given that Trump himself stated that he'd end the war in 24hrs, I think its entirely valid to make note of the fact that he has not in fact accomplished that feat. Every day that the war goes on is another day of failure for Trump, not because he has power over it, but because he lied about having power over it.
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I think the wording is the problem here.
"Trump hasn't forced/enabled Zelenskyy to reach a peaceful resolution to the conflict (war)"
It implies that the responsibility for peace lies with Zelenskyy, it would be better to say "Trump hasn't forced/convinced Putin to reach a peaceful resolution to the war" because that is what Trump said he would do before he became President. He said that Putin respected him and that he could convince Putin to put an end to the war, Ukraine has accepted a complete ceasefire already which Russia has rejected. Ukraine wants peace but only as long as the peace doesn't come with making Ukraine defenceless against a future invasion, which is what Russia's demands amount to, therefore it is no peace. Where is this respect for Trump that Trump claimed Putin has for him? Lol.
Trump made a dozen concessions to Russia before negotiations even began and yet Putin rejected all of Trump's peace proposals, he rejected a total ceasefire along the frontlines, then accepted a watered down energy ceasefire, then immediately broke it, Trump even defended him breaking it by saying "There's a lot of anger on both sides" and then during even more peace negotiations, Russia lobbed missiles at a children's playground, and Trump once again defended Russia, he said Russia did it by accident, then during more peace negotiations, Russia was lobbing hundreds of drones at Kyiv, to which we have the famous TruthSocial post of Trump saying "Vladimir! Stop!" Lmao.
Then Russia rejected a ceasefire (supported by Trump) in May, then they had negotiations for a ceasefire the next week, which went nowhere because Russia threatened Ukraine and demanded they surrender all territories Russia currently has even partial occupation of and recognise them as Russian, and once again Trump defended Putin on both occasions.
Trump did at one point try to force Ukraine into surrender (not peace, surrender) when he cut all aid off to Ukraine after Zelenskyy didn't wear a suit but seemed to back off on that, likely realised it wouldn't work and I imagine there was a lot of backlash behind the scenes but Ukraine has always been ready for peace, Putin's demands are not peace though, they're a chance for Russia to repair their battered military and go for round 3.
As for the minerals deal, it's irrelevant, the minerals deal doesn't come with any security assurances or military assistance promises and the minerals deal finally being signed was conveniently when Trump started saying he was bored of the war and started suggesting that he would stop paying attention to it, now he is saying America won't be involved in peace negotiations at all soon, quite frankly, that would be a good thing considering all of America's peace negotiation attempts have heavily favoured Russia.
Also to date, no new military assistance has been pledged to Ukraine by the Trump admin, it is still Biden's approved packages, as the money has not yet entirely ran out, which was also why Trump pausing aid was a bit fucked because it wasn't his aid to pause, it was aid approved by Congress during Biden's term that has not yet ran out (a few billion left I think).
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 23 May 2025