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SvennoJ said:
firebush03 said:

oops that was not well worded. What I meant is that Trump hasn’t forced/enabled Zelensky to reach a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Zelensky recently agreed to the Minerals Deal, which—as far as I’m aware—will ensure a slow burn to this conflict (as Trump himself reaffirmed).

Regarding Gaza, I’m not looking to debate, so I won’t say more than this: Joe Biden and Donald Trump are both responsible in this genocide. The biggest difference I can see is that whereas Netanyahu had a 95% blockade on essentials entering Gaza when Biden was in power, there is now a 100% blockade on essentials. It’s a sad thing what’s going on in Gaza. There is no hope whatsoever for those ppl. :(

There's always hope. Some western governments are finally starting to say, enough is enough after the starvation of Gaza is finally no longer ignored by the mainstream media.

However some idiot just killed two Israeli embassy staff workers in DC which is now of course taking over the news, just as 29 children and elderly people have died in Gaza in the last couple days from starvation with 14 thousand babies at risk of dying.

Yeah it's a tragic mess with half the world still supporting starving 2.1 million people.

Where is the hope? More empty gestures and things are only getting worse, deja vu. The shame watching the news every weekend fill me with knowing this is happening in real time as we continue to do nothing is a novel experience that I could've done without. 

I also feel like people split hairs when it comes to Joe vs Donald when it comes to Gaza, both are fucking human trash, and it would do the left some favour to stop fooling themselves and stop associating with the egotistical guy who ran fully knowing he was going to lose to the other guy who everybody knew was going to making everything worse. 

I hope both die of horrible aggressive cancer that seeps into their demented brains, 1 down, 1 to go. 

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the-pi-guy said:

And what does this peaceful resolution look like to you? 

Because it keeps sounding like you think the Russia's invasion of Ukraine is in America's hands. It's not. It's in Russia's, it has nothing to do with America. Ukraine wants to retain it's own sovereignty, doesn't even have anything to do with Zelenskyy. 

I'm not sure how likely it is that Trump will support Ukraine, even with the minerals deal. 

I'm definitely not fire's biggest fan, but given that Trump himself stated that he'd end the war in 24hrs, I think its entirely valid to make note of the fact that he has not in fact accomplished that feat. Every day that the war goes on is another day of failure for Trump, not because he has power over it, but because he lied about having power over it.

I think the wording is the problem here.

"Trump hasn't forced/enabled Zelenskyy to reach a peaceful resolution to the conflict (war)"

It implies that the responsibility for peace lies with Zelenskyy, it would be better to say "Trump hasn't forced/convinced Putin to reach a peaceful resolution to the war" because that is what Trump said he would do before he became President. He said that Putin respected him and that he could convince Putin to put an end to the war, Ukraine has accepted a complete ceasefire already which Russia has rejected. Ukraine wants peace but only as long as the peace doesn't come with making Ukraine defenceless against a future invasion, which is what Russia's demands amount to, therefore it is no peace. Where is this respect for Trump that Trump claimed Putin has for him? Lol.

Trump made a dozen concessions to Russia before negotiations even began and yet Putin rejected all of Trump's peace proposals, he rejected a total ceasefire along the frontlines, then accepted a watered down energy ceasefire, then immediately broke it, Trump even defended him breaking it by saying "There's a lot of anger on both sides" and then during even more peace negotiations, Russia lobbed missiles at a children's playground, and Trump once again defended Russia, he said Russia did it by accident, then during more peace negotiations, Russia was lobbing hundreds of drones at Kyiv, to which we have the famous TruthSocial post of Trump saying "Vladimir! Stop!" Lmao.

Then Russia rejected a ceasefire (supported by Trump) in May, then they had negotiations for a ceasefire the next week, which went nowhere because Russia threatened Ukraine and demanded they surrender all territories Russia currently has even partial occupation of and recognise them as Russian, and once again Trump defended Putin on both occasions.

Trump did at one point try to force Ukraine into surrender (not peace, surrender) when he cut all aid off to Ukraine after Zelenskyy didn't wear a suit but seemed to back off on that, likely realised it wouldn't work and I imagine there was a lot of backlash behind the scenes but Ukraine has always been ready for peace, Putin's demands are not peace though, they're a chance for Russia to repair their battered military and go for round 3.

As for the minerals deal, it's irrelevant, the minerals deal doesn't come with any security assurances or military assistance promises and the minerals deal finally being signed was conveniently when Trump started saying he was bored of the war and started suggesting that he would stop paying attention to it, now he is saying America won't be involved in peace negotiations at all soon, quite frankly, that would be a good thing considering all of America's peace negotiation attempts have heavily favoured Russia.

Also to date, no new military assistance has been pledged to Ukraine by the Trump admin, it is still Biden's approved packages, as the money has not yet entirely ran out, which was also why Trump pausing aid was a bit fucked because it wasn't his aid to pause, it was aid approved by Congress during Biden's term that has not yet ran out (a few billion left I think).

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TallSilhouette said:

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students.

This can't be legal, right?

It's probably not but the Trump admin doesn't care about the law and what's another court loss to them? Lol.

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Ryuu96 said:

I think the wording is the problem here. …

You could reword it that way with U.S. forcing Putin to the table…IDK i don’t see much of a difference. IG the main reason I mention bringing Ukraine to the table is b/c the U.S. has leverage (via monetary support) and authority over Ukraine, whereas they do not have this same leverage against Russia…so the U.S. can’t force Russia to do anything (unless you’ve got ideas?). Putin has threatened nukes if the U.S. got too involved after all. If we want to see peace where Putin surrenders territory, the U.S. will likely need to get Russian allies, such as China, involved in peace talks. That’s the only way I see Russia ceding territory. Putin has threatened nuclear action if Ukraine re-annexes their lost land; so it’s unwise to fight for the land. Russia is who we’re trying to talk down, and they’re not gonna play softball. That’s the nature of war: the winning side often refuses to make concessions unless they have reason to do so. No country cares about morality of annexation, for annexation is itself inherently immoral (unless reclaiming land lost from the recent past). The U.S. needs to give Russia that reason. What do you believe the U.S. can/should do to make this happen?

As far as U.S. monetary support moving forward is concerned, I do suspect Trump will begin to place pressure on EU nations to fund the conflict. This would free up U.S. resources in preparation for conflict with Taiwan (and possibly Iran). Indeed, it was listed in that Project 2025 manifesto thing that the plan was to hand off the financial responsibility of U.S. in this conflict to EU nations…so, that’s what I’m betting on happening. Though the minerals deal does incentivize the U.S. to prolong this conflict, and it definitely favors keeping Ukraine out of annexation from Russia, so this could force the U.S.’ hand to stay involved. They could attempt to bluff by saying “We won’t fund this conflict after Biden’s funding dries up” so as to place pressure on EU nations to ramp up their funding; though I suspect EU nations will see through the bluff, support won’t ramp up, and the U.S. will have their hand forced back into the conflict.

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LurkerJ said:

Where is the hope? More empty gestures and things are only getting worse, deja vu. The shame watching the news every weekend fill me with knowing this is happening in real time as we continue to do nothing is a novel experience that I could've done without. 

I also feel like people split hairs when it comes to Joe vs Donald when it comes to Gaza, both are fucking human trash, and it would do the left some favour to stop fooling themselves and stop associating with the egotistical guy who ran fully knowing he was going to lose to the other guy who everybody knew was going to making everything worse. 

I hope both die of horrible aggressive cancer that seeps into their demented brains, 1 down, 1 to go. 

True, it's looking more dire than ever. This is turning into a holodomor and Netanyahu has now made Trump's ethnic cleansing plan a condition to end the war.

Resistance inside in Israel is getting bigger though and the fallout of forcibly removing opposing voices in parliament is growing as well. Netanyahu has no future but he can still drag it out long enough to kill and displace another million+ people. He's dead set on at least halving the Gaza population.

However people in Israel have no desire to occupy the Gaza strip again, people are tired of committing genocide, more people refuse to go back to fighting. Israel is running out of willing reservists and losing more to PTSD every day. The Neo Zionist project is dead, Israel has no future the way its going. Yet can do so much more damage before the final collapse.

It's all too slow, too little, too late. So many people have already died and those that haven't have been traumatized and stunted. There are close to a million children in Gaza that will feel the effects of malnutrition for the rest of their lives, next to not having been to school in 2 years now. The genocide has in fact already completed, a whole generation of Palestinians destroyed.

However we can't give up hope. While their future will be a very difficult struggle even if the war ends today and aid gets flooded in, they are still alive now. Can't give up hope, it's not an option :(

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Public pressure is the only reason limited aid is going in now. Yet so much more is needed. We already see the tide turning against the rise of fascism yet waiting for Trumps turn to end means death for millions. More public pressure is needed, much more. Public pressure is still increasing slowly, that's where the little bit of hope comes from. The Guardian now has a live page following the genocide

Israel-Gaza war live: children and elderly dying from starvation, minister warns, as dozens killed in overnight strikes
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/23/israel-gaza-war-live-palestine-children-elderly-dying-starvation-aid-benjamin-netanyahu

BBC and CNN are showing the reality on the ground more frequently despite still running apologist articles. Yet Netanyahu's are getting more outlandish and less effective by the day as well.

Politicians don't like to be associated with pictures of deliberately starving babies. They should all be hounded with the results of their inaction and cover for war criminals. 



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Trump Threatens EU With 50% Tariffs - As Apple Faces 25%

Here we go again, buy the dip for the inevitable backtrack, keep an eye on Republicans who buy Apple stock, Lmfao. This has all been one 4 month long stock market manipulation to enrich his inner circle and he's going to do it for the next 4 years. These tariff threats are as boring as Putin's nuke threats now.

Apple will never move manufacturing to the USA, it will take years, it will cost tens of billions and it will make iPhones cost about $1000+ more, Lol. Keep dreaming, they'll probably announce they'll do 0.1% manufacturing in the USA and Trump will take his "win" backtrack on the tariffs and Apple's stock will shoot back up.

Kid needs new material, I'm bored now. Maybe threaten to invade UK or something.

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Tokyo will not rush into clinching a trade deal if doing so risked hurting the country's interests, he said.

Japan is Sticking to Demand For US to Eliminate Tariffs, Trade Envoy Says | Reuters

Japan will be next for another tariff threat after the tariff pause after the tariff threat after the tariff pause after the tariff threat. Then another delay after the stock market has shit itself enough. Or maybe not, at some point the stock market will stop reacting to this knowing Trump will cave every time. Buy the dip, if there's a dip, Trump will backtrack.

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*Insert the Tariff Meme*

I can't be bothered to find it.

Should be a pinned post at this point.

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Ryuu96 said:

Trump Threatens EU With 50% Tariffs - As Apple Faces 25%

Here we go again, buy the dip for the inevitable backtrack, keep an eye on Republicans who buy Apple stock, Lmfao. This has all been one 4 month long stock market manipulation to enrich his inner circle and he's going to do it for the next 4 years. These tariff threats are as boring as Putin's nuke threats now.

Apple will never move manufacturing to the USA, it will take years, it will cost tens of billions and it will make iPhones cost about $1000+ more, Lol. Keep dreaming, they'll probably announce they'll do 0.1% manufacturing in the USA and Trump will take his "win" backtrack on the tariffs and Apple's stock will shoot back up.

Kid needs new material, I'm bored now. Maybe threaten to invade UK or something.

Don't give him ideas. He doesn't have any original ideas by himself, anyway.