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Jaicee said:

Matter-of-factly, I often struggle to think of good uses for this tech and it seems that I'm not alone in feeling that way, as Pew's latest survey on the subject of artificial intelligence found that just 17% of Americans believe that A.I. will have a net positive impact on American life over the next couple decades. I share this profound sense of optimism because I'm already seeing lots of A.I.'s ramifications right now. For example, I listen to a lot of music in the time I spend online if you haven't noticed, and YouTube every so often recommends me A.I.-generated tunes. They can best be described as lifeless, generic, and often comically error-prone garbage and as much should surprise no one. The defining quality of art, after all, is that it expresses someone's feelings about things and machines don't have feelings. A large percentage of the ads I see online nowadays are likewise clearly A.I.-generated in a way that causes me more than just the usual irritation of ads being there; it causes me pain to see them because they're so goddamn bizarre and creepy, like hideous, nonsensical mismatches between images and text. Normal ads are just a nuisance. A.I. ads give me the shivers. Machine logic fucking creeps me out! Those are just two of the benefits of this miraculous technology I get to experience every day of my life now and I wish it would just...go...away!! Far, far away. (Well okay, it can stay in video games, but you know what I mean.)

But there are more benefits, even beyond these and deepfakes! Artificial intelligence also poses a serious risk to the future of entire careers ranging from those of factory workers and truck drivers (yep, self-driving trucks, they say, are the future) to, perhaps most distressingly, public-facing occupations like cashiering. I'm most concerned about the latter, tbh, because of what it represents in terms of further disconnecting human beings from other human beings. Speaking of, the technology is also currently being used by many a lonely man as an alternative to dating actual women. This way he needn't become more sociable or accommodating and instead learns to think of dating as a service to him and of women as basically machines who's task in life is to provide subservience and unconditional flattery and approval. Chatbot girlfriends aren't exactly improving the dating pool, in other words. Indeed A.I. chatbots have already begun accruing a human death toll, successfully convincing some people to take their own lives. And the algorithms behind them will only get more sophisticated.

But am I just being a luddite here? Maybe the potential benefits outweigh the problems and I'm just not seeing it? Well until I see otherwise, I think this technology should very strictly controlled.

Lately I've been thinking AI would be best if it was relegated to personal use, ban it for industrial uses. 

I was always excited for AI growing up, thought it would be cool to have custom stuff being made that could be more personal. 

But now I'm generally overall concerned.

But I do think there are some positive uses. Generating subtitles or even voices for content that will never get translated could be a really good accessibility feature. 



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Jaicee said:
Ryuu96 said:

I knew politicians would finally start doing something about AI once they feel the fear about it, AI Deepfakes has no allegiance, someone can just as easy make some AI Deepfake porn of Ted Cruz as they could Amy Klobuchar. It's a start but there needs to be a lot more laws and regulation on all this AI shit. This is the bare minimum but it's a good start.

Along with a total ban on non-consensual AI deepfakes, we need massive fines for using AI in political campaigns and a total ban on using any AI in political campaigns, especially in the forms of deepfake voices and apply those fines to the companies that host the content if they don't remove it in time. We're heading towards an extremely dangerous future with AI if regulation and restrictions don't come in soon.

I've already seen big examples of AI deepfakes used in political campaigns and spread on platforms like Twitter.

Matter-of-factly, I often struggle to think of good uses for this tech and it seems that I'm not alone in feeling that way, as Pew's latest survey on the subject of artificial intelligence found that just 17% of Americans believe that A.I. will have a net positive impact on American life over the next couple decades. I share this profound sense of optimism because I'm already seeing lots of A.I.'s ramifications right now. For example, I listen to a lot of music in the time I spend online if you haven't noticed, and YouTube every so often recommends me A.I.-generated tunes. They can best be described as lifeless, generic, and often comically error-prone garbage and as much should surprise no one. The defining quality of art, after all, is that it expresses someone's feelings about things and machines don't have feelings. A large percentage of the ads I see online nowadays are likewise clearly A.I.-generated in a way that causes me more than just the usual irritation of ads being there; it causes me pain to see them because they're so goddamn bizarre and creepy, like hideous, nonsensical mismatches between images and text. Normal ads are just a nuisance. A.I. ads give me the shivers. Machine logic fucking creeps me out! Those are just two of the benefits of this miraculous technology I get to experience every day of my life now and I wish it would just...go...away!! Far, far away. (Well okay, it can stay in video games, but you know what I mean.)

But there are more benefits, even beyond these and deepfakes! Artificial intelligence also poses a serious risk to the future of entire careers ranging from those of factory workers and truck drivers (yep, self-driving trucks, they say, are the future) to, perhaps most distressingly, public-facing occupations like cashiering. I'm most concerned about the latter, tbh, because of what it represents in terms of further disconnecting human beings from other human beings. Speaking of, the technology is also currently being used by many a lonely man as an alternative to dating actual women. This way he needn't become more sociable or accommodating and instead learns to think of dating as a service to him and of women as basically machines who's task in life is to provide subservience and unconditional flattery and approval. Chatbot girlfriends aren't exactly improving the dating pool, in other words. Indeed A.I. chatbots have already begun accruing a human death toll, successfully convincing some people to take their own lives. And the algorithms behind them will only get more sophisticated.

But am I just being a luddite here? Maybe the potential benefits outweigh the problems and I'm just not seeing it? Well until I see otherwise, I think this technology should very strictly controlled.

 I agree with this law as a protection for women (and men). 

But I do not trust Pam Bondi to enforce this fairly or to not weaponize it against criticism of Trump or Musk. 

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SvennoJ said:

It's a nice thought, but without 67 votes in the Senate, it's worse than an empty gesture. Every failed impeachment sets more precedent for the subject of the impeachment to do whatever they want. That's on full display in Texas, where Ken Paxton is running roughshod over the rule of law since he was acquitted along party lines in what should have been a slam-dunk impeachment brought by Republicans, his own party, in the Texas House of Representatives. One of the biggest failings of presidential systems is that the process for removing a defective president from office is far too complex and essentially makes every president a potential dictator. Maybe if we saw the presidency as a replaceable, temporary position (Japan went through prime ministers on an annual basis for several years, bookended by Shinzo Abe's two terms in office), people wouldn't be at each other's throats every four years (and rapidly going from every four years to almost constant now). 

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Jaicee said:

We complain a lot here, be it about policies being enacted (or in the case of our rare right wing visitors, about (heaven forbid) the existence of dissent thereto ). That certainly includes me. Mocking and excoriating this administration's general policy direction and attitude is something I find easy and often fun and cathartic too. Thought I'd do something different for a change of pace here though because no, I don't actually disapprove of just everything that's being done in Washington right now, believe it or not. I supported the Laken Riley Act, for example, and was glad that it passed and that not every Democrat voted against it.

Disagree. Laken Riley Act always felt to me like bad policy wrapped in a fairly reasonable package. Classic propaganda stuff, so you can point to all the people who voted against it and say "They voted against a bill that would do this reasonable thing" while completely ignoring the rest of the stuff packaged with it. 

Having ICE automatically detain someone who is convicted of manslaughter is pretty reasonable. I think there could potentially be some issues with it in execution, as deportation doesn't always result in imprisonment in the destination country basically allowing some people to escape punishment and potentially just come back to America, but overall, I'm not too concerned about that.

But handling all theft related crimes this way seems like a bridge too far. Sending someone who steals a candy bar to ICE detainment isn't something I can support as I don't feel like it is imperative for public safety to protect the poor Americans from crimes regularly committed by babies.

And sending them to ICE for just for being accused of a crime? I mean, I feel like we don't need to look too far past what is happening literally right now to see that due process is on shaky footing, making that a pretty dangerous road. Just look at the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Accusing someone of a crime is easy, but convicting them of a crime is hard (and for good reason). In a country where an accusation can be on the basis of the clothes someone is wearing and incredibly dubious tattoo interpretations, we shouldn't enable further assaults on due process.

And the part that allows states to sue DHS? Woof. All that is doing is allowing the Republican Judiciary to hijack control of America's immigration system whenever Democrats are in power...



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Vinther1991 said:

Now the psychopath in the White House is also pissing on the catholics of this World in a moment of grief. Extremely disrespectful behaviour towards Christians.

Would a real Christian mock a diseased Pope?

You're asking the wrong questions.

Would any halfway decent person mock a diseased Pope, no matter his religion? That should have been the real question, and the answer a big fat "Hell no!"



Wat.



How does this...How do you even...What...I'm...I don't even know where to begin. What's next, a 100% tariff on videogames outside of the USA? Lmfao. I thought the right hated Hollywood too! Holy shit man I can't believe anyone can look at this guy and think he is smart, except fellow idiots.

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Ryuu96 said:

How does this...How do you even...What...I'm...I don't even know where to begin. What's next, a 100% tariff on videogames outside of the USA? Lmfao. I thought the right hated Hollywood too! Holy shit man I can't believe anyone can look at this guy and think he is smart, except fellow idiots.

It's all part of controlling the narrative...

Can't have any movies critical of the US come in.

Trump is turning the US into authoritarian China, or rather into an oligarchic party dictatorship.



the-pi-guy said:

Lately I've been thinking AI would be best if it was relegated to personal use, ban it for industrial uses. 

I was always excited for AI growing up, thought it would be cool to have custom stuff being made that could be more personal. 

But now I'm generally overall concerned.

But I do think there are some positive uses. Generating subtitles or even voices for content that will never get translated could be a really good accessibility feature. 

Maybe I should qualify my position by pointing out that I am a proud owner of just about all the dystopian pictures you can probably remember, ranging from Aelita and Metropolis to Fahrenheit 451 (the 1966 version), Solaris (does that count?), Rollerball (both versions), Logan's Run, the entire Mad Max collection, Escape From New York, Escape From L.A., Blade Runner, 1984, the first couple Terminator movies, Robocop (the original), The Running Man, Akira, Total Recall, The Lawnmowerman, Ghost in the Shell, The Truman Show, The Matrix, The 6th Day, Equilibrium, Minority Report, Paycheck, Idiocracy, Wall-E (I think that counts anyway), and the Hunger Games collection. I even have the infamous wannabe-biopunk 1993 Super Mario Bros. live action movie just because. Yes, I've always been the optimist you see today. Also a long-time fan of a number of dystopian type shows ranging from Serial Experiments Lain way back in the day to the likes of The Handmaid's Tale, The Last of Us, and Squid Game today. Artificial intelligence has always been the stuff of cartoonish nightmare futures to me, so maybe I approach its advancement in the real world with some negative bias. Still though, my lived experience with it so far just...does nothing to make me more optimistic about it. I worry about things like excessive dependence on technology, widespread internet addiction (especially amongst younger people), and the growing atomization of life. There's much more than just recent advancements in A.I. to all that, obviously, but it's becoming an increasingly significant factor.

The simple fact that I'm a video gamer I think oughtta communicate that I'm not against artificial intelligence as such, I'm just worried about most of the ways I see it being used and the trajectory of those uses that I perceive. I say all of us to really say simply that I kind of agree with your suggestion that maybe we should look into options like banning the industrial use thereof.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 05 May 2025