Cerebralbore101 said: People are free to live their lives however they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. But you cannot change your gender anymore than you can change your species. No, we don't need studies showing that transgender women have an unfair advantage over cis gendered women, because we already know that men have an unfair advantage over women, and transgender women are just men. We already know that your average 17-year-old boy is 4 or 5 inches taller than your average 17-year-old girl. There are differences in muscle, skeleton, and center of gravity, too. Taking hormone blockers does not magically get rid of these advantages. If you think it does, then YOU need to present those studies. And those studies need to be done by someone who is unbiased. Not a transgender crusader disguised as a researcher and not a religious nutjob disguised as a researcher.
Again, people are free to live their lives however they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. But having someone like Laurel Hubbard roll on in and take an Olympic spot as the oldest weightlifter to ever qualify just shows how unfair it is for regular women. Hubbard was able to compete at her age because she is a man. She didn't get 1st place, but she still stole a spot in the Olympics from a cis gendered woman.
It's really annoying to talk about this topic because on one hand you have dumb mouthbreather religous types on your side, making ridiculous claims and being dumb. On the other hand, the moment you state something factual like "you cannot change your gender anymore than you can change your species" people jump out of the woodwork to call you a bigot.
Yes, I understand that intersex people exist. Some people have their hormones or DNA mess up in the womb and they become stuck between two sexes. I absolutely agree that they should be treated with respect and should be able to choose their gender. But that does not mean that Joe Schmoe who was born as a healthy male baby, should be given gender-affirming care and treated as a woman to the point of being allowed to cheat in sports? Joe can decide to transition to a woman and live his life as a woman. That's fine. I'll even call him a her whenever he begins to state that her is the preferred pronoun. I've got no problem with that. But to let Joe compete in women's sports is just as stupid as allowing a roided out, walking test tube compete in an event meant for natural weightlifters.
P.S. Most sports are a walking disaster of unfairness anyway. Drug testing is pathetic and a ton of people at the Olympic level are cheaters anyway. If they were going to be strict enough to ban transgender people then they need to be strict enough to do regular drug testing of athletes and anyone caught cheating gets stripped of their medals and gets a lifetime ban. But sports in general have no integrity so they will complain about transgender athletes but drag their feet when it comes to banning drug users.
P.P.S. This should not be a national issue and nobody should be basing their vote on this. Trans-Rights issues are not critical to this country. Anyone fighting for or against them is allowing the rich to lead them off-course with a gigantic red-herring. We should be focused on making housing cheaper, getting rid of corruption, and making healthcare cheap. If I were a representative, I would simply state that only 0.5% of my constituents are transgender and I refuse to waste precious time debating the issue or voting on it. Edit: I'm fine with calling transgender women, women in the same way that I'm fine with calling someone who adopts a kid their father. But to act as if being a transgendered woman isn't cheating is as ridiculous as a doctor saying "Well since you are her father you should be a good match for an organ donation. No blood testing or compatibility testing needed!" Imagine a doctor just signing off on an organ transplant because someone is the adoptive father of someone else. Then things go wrong post surgery and the doctor is like "But I don't understand! They are related! It should have gone smoothly!" You can't just ignore reality like that.
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I'm getting so much whiplash from your post "being trans in a sport is cheating, but cheating is common in sports anyways".
I don't personally care about sports in general.
A lot of the sex divides in sports are made up - there's multiple instances where women got separated from the men, once they started dominating in that sport. Is there really a biological advantage to throwing darts?
The people at the top are generally going to be people who have some genetic advantage. The average height of a WNBA player is 9 inches taller than the average woman.
There are so few trans athletes in the first place. People are not lining up to join sports.
And it's not something that the government should be overriding in the first place.
>If you think it does, then YOU need to present those studies.
You say this like people aren't trying
"The only measurement in this study in which transgender women categorically outperformed cisgender women was grip strength, which can be an indicator of overall strength. But the trans women who were surveyed had lower lung capacity, VO2 max (a measure of how efficiently oxygen is transported throughout the body, a marker of endurance capacity), and jump height.
This suggests that a transgender woman competing at, say, volleyball or long-distance running, could actually be at a disadvantage compared to her cisgender counterparts. This is likely because once someone assigned male at birth starts hormone replacement therapy, their strength and muscle mass relative to their frame declines, leaving them to “carry this big skeleton with a smaller engine,” as Pitsiladis puts it."
>Yes, I understand that intersex people exist.
So you understand that body types don't perfectly fall into a binary, what about brains?