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Ahh yeah, the billionaires are on it again telling everyone how specific persons did everything wrong and how they knew better. But instead of helping with their billions BEFORE something happens, they will just act as the saviors after it happened.

Elon Musk and guys like him could buy a hundred fire fighting planes, park them somewhere (and maintain them) and give them for free to any state which need them right now. They could also pay for the teams.

But no, they won't do shit, will only complain about taxes and avoid to pay any on their own and then complain that states and cities don't have enough of anything. Maybe, just maybe your country with such an enormous amount of wealthy people could fight fire, poverty, criminality and all of that much better If your thousands of billionaires and multi millionaires who complain about all of that would try to really help and don't just stir everyone up.

Imagine just the amount of super rich in Los Angeles. All of them know about the situation of a potential fire. I mean, it happens again and again but instead of helping to avoid this stuff they are the first you see on TV to tell you how they've lost one of their 20 homes

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These extreme wild fires are the fault of Donald Trump and the rest of the republican party, who have done everything they could to accelerate climate change whenever they had power.



A 2% cut or $17 million is a big cut to an entire agency.

Keep in mind that if you kept budgets static, inflation means it was a budget cut anyway... So the cut is likely bigger than $17 million/2% in real terms.

The more modern our trucks are, the more likely they are to "break" as they are full of advanced safety safety features, which means we need larger budgets to service them, that tends to be where the bulk of our funding goes... Onto the trucks.

If that larger budget was already being stretched, cuts won't make that easier.
So that 2% is more impactful than people realize. - It may mean we defer replacing a hose with a hole in it until the next financial year, it may mean we don't buy a new floating collar dam to provide water at the fire-ground... It may mean we skip a pump service.

It does mean a lot.

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Just a quick fact check, the actual budget of the fire department did not decrease 2%, but instead increased 7%. Basically, the initial budget was 2% lower, however there were several additional funding sources which were approved later or through different avenues than the standard budget ($53 million for pay increases and $58 million for new trucks and additional equipment purchases). Once these purchases are included in the total, we see an increase in budget, not a decrease. There is also another $27 million for patient transportation which is expected to be approved which would increase the budget up to 9% over the past year. 

Did L.A.'s mayor cut the fire department budget? The answer gets tricky - Los Angeles Times





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For those who think Trunp is “just kidding.” the military doesn’t think so. Remember, Trump wanted to have U.S. soldiers open up with live ammo protesters to his performative Christian stunt in Washington DC June 2020. General Matk Milley and DefSec Matk Esper had to talk him down to that one. I don’t think Hegseth will show that kind of restraint. Some of the personnel quoted here are people who were deployed by H.W. during the L.A. riots. 



sundin13 said:

Just a quick fact check, the actual budget of the fire department did not decrease 2%, but instead increased 7%. Basically, the initial budget was 2% lower, however there were several additional funding sources which were approved later or through different avenues than the standard budget ($53 million for pay increases and $58 million for new trucks and additional equipment purchases). Once these purchases are included in the total, we see an increase in budget, not a decrease. There is also another $27 million for patient transportation which is expected to be approved which would increase the budget up to 9% over the past year. 

Did L.A.'s mayor cut the fire department budget? The answer gets tricky - Los Angeles Times

Thanks for that. Good to know.

Keep forgetting that fire departments in the USA have an Ambulance rolled into their fleet as well which adds to capability and costs, we keep our firefighters as firefighting/technical rescue specialists only and Ambulance crews as medical professionals in separate stations and organizations, allows for a higher degree of specialization in their respective fields.

..With the exception of ESO's like myself which can do it all.

But if we read that article there were some staffing cuts which hampered things like "test radio equipment, complete pilot training and carry out brush clearance inspections" - Which are all crucial elements to fire mitigation and management.
Personally brush clearance inspections should be a council issue, which relegates to your national parks/wildland fire service once they get approved permits and plans to do backburns and hazard reductions, urban firefighters don't really have the time to be doing that.

And also in that article they state they had to "scale back operations" but fail to go into any specifics.

I am hoping what happens at the end of this is that a review is performed and a blank check is given to overhaul the entire fire service in that region, but these things tend to go into a decade cycle of boom-bust, where after an incident we get overwhelming support, then it starts to taper off until the next big incident that happens in 5-10 years time.



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SvennoJ said:

Bit of a contradiction, offset carbon by planting more trees, which provide more fuel to the fires causing and caused by climate change.

It's not a contradiction.
It would not have been an issue to begin with if we didn't dump billions of tonne's worth of CO2 in the atmosphere while cutting down entire forests that offsets carbon.

And not all Tree's add to fire risk, some species of Trees actually do the opposite as they have thick bark with high levels of salt or water content in their foliage which can actually reduce fire risk and ember attacks.

The issue is... Again. California allowed Australian flora to proliferate in that region, which had evolved to spread fire to germinate their seeds.






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