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Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024
Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

Anyway.

I don't remember the polls from Hillary vs Trump or the polls about BREXIT.

But it's the polls as to the reason everyone (including Republicans) are saying Biden is cooked and it's also the polls which say that Harris performs better than any other Democrat candidate (and common sense).

Yeah, I'm talking about the border bill which would have addressed many of Republicans complaints which Republicans blocked.

Are you British? You'd think after 14 years of Tory rule and the migrant issue under the Tories getting WORSE even POST-BREXIT would wake you up a little to the idea that right wingers don't give a shit about fixing the border as much as they do using it as ammo for their elections.

I'm Dutch. And I remember very well the POLLS telling the world that Clinton would win by a landslide. How brexit has no chance. I will never trust a POLL ever again and I would recommend to everyone to do the same.

Heck the Democrats convinced Biden not to run in 2016 to give Hillary the white house. Then unexpectedly Berny became a threat to her anointment, so they cheated him out of it by rigging the primary debates. It all fell on their face when Trump won.

And they are doing the same with anointing Harris. History does not repeat, but it rhymes. They should have an open convention to get the strongest candidate. Because Harris isn't it.

ps. Sorry about the remark of your age.

Apology accepted, then I am sorry about criticising your spelling.

But you seem wrong about your comment on Hillary's polls according to Sundin. I can't say, I wasn't tracking every single one, in fact I was barely paying attention to that election. But I can't recall many polls saying "Brexit has no chance" and I'm British, Lol.

Here's a compilation of BREXIT's polls - EU Referendum Poll of Polls - Financial Times

So it doesn't seem polls were as off as you're claiming on an overall average, especially with the end result being as close as it was, many of those polls are close, with a lot of undecideds to sway things in either direction.

Hillary won the popular vote and IIRC lost by about 80,000 votes. She really didn't lose by much. No, they didn't "rig" the debates, Bernie lost plain and simple and Bernie fans (which I'm one) need to get over it, Bernie did. They do an open convention, Harris will win it, it's a waste of time.

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CosmicSex on 21 July 2024

@Above.

The polls said Hillary would win but a huge landslide. In fact the final electoral vote count vs prediction is shows like a 200 point shift.

There are other examples in recent history for 2022. Polling has been quite botched for years now and it seems to corelate to the shift to targeted online polls and abandonment of landlines.



Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024
Spade said:

Wasn't going to vote this year as fuck biden and trump, but now I'm voting for Harris if she's the elect for the dems.

You're not the first person I've seen say this 👀

I'm just happy you're both voting now.

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Tober on 21 July 2024
Ryuu96 said:
Tober said:

I'm Dutch. And I remember very well the POLLS telling the world that Clinton would win by a landslide. How brexit has no chance. I will never trust a POLL ever again and I would recommend to everyone to do the same.

Heck the Democrats convinced Biden not to run in 2016 to give Hillary the white house. Then unexpectedly Berny became a threat to her anointment, so they cheated him out of it by rigging the primary debates. It all fell on their face when Trump won.

And they are doing the same with anointing Harris. History does not repeat, but it rhymes. They should have an open convention to get the strongest candidate. Because Harris isn't it.

ps. Sorry about the remark of your age.

Apology accepted, then I am sorry about criticising your spelling.

But you seem wrong about your comment on Hillary's polls according to Sundin. I can't say, I wasn't tracking every single one, in fact I was barely paying attention to that election. But I can't recall many polls saying "Brexit has no chance" and I'm British, Lol.

Here's a compilation of BREXIT's polls - EU Referendum Poll of Polls - Financial Times

So it doesn't seem polls were as off as you're claiming on an overall average, especially with the end result being as close as it was, many of those polls are close, with a lot of undecideds to sway things in either direction.

Hillary won the popular vote and IIRC lost by about 80,000 votes. She really didn't lose by much. No, they didn't "rig" the debates, Bernie lost plain and simple and Bernie fans (which I'm one) need to get over it, Bernie did. They do an open convention, Harris will win it, it's a waste of time.

It is well known, that during the primary debates between Hillary and Berny, the DNC coordinated the debate questions with the Hillary camp to give her an advantage. It's the reason that the then DNC chair Dona Brazile had to step down after this was revealed later on.

Some references:

https://observer.com/2017/03/donna-brazile-admits-primaries-rigged-for-hillary-clinton/

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/donna-brazile-2016-primary/index.html

About Clinton's chances of winning in 2016, Reuters put her at 90%

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/clinton-has-90-percent-chance-of-winning-reutersipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J0/

New York Times had her at 85%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html



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zorg1000 on 21 July 2024
SvennoJ said:
zorg1000 said:

Like it or not, Gaza isn’t that important of an issue to a large chunk of Americans. It will just be seen as a small part of a century long conflict.

History books are not just about the USA...

Good point, being a US politics thread I assumed we were talking about from the perspective of US voters.

LurkerJ said:
zorg1000 said:

Like it or not, Gaza isn’t that important of an issue to a large chunk of Americans. It will just be seen as a small part of a century long conflict.

Seen as a small part by whom? the ignorant and bigots? History is NOT in the eye of the beholder. 

Biden has exceeded expectations on domestic policies, it doesn't mean things can't get better. Like SvennoJ, I hope Harris does better too, there is a change to recalibrate and do the right thing here. 

The general US public. But you’re right that it’s probably the aspect of his presidency that deserves the most criticism and hopefully Kamala does better.



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Pemalite on 21 July 2024
Tober said:

I'm Dutch. And I remember very well the POLLS telling the world that Clinton would win by a landslide. How brexit has no chance. I will never trust a POLL ever again and I would recommend to everyone to do the same.

Heck the Democrats convinced Biden not to run in 2016 to give Hillary the white house. Then unexpectedly Berny became a threat to her anointment, so they cheated him out of it by rigging the primary debates. It all fell on their face when Trump won.

And they are doing the same with anointing Harris. History does not repeat, but it rhymes. They should have an open convention to get the strongest candidate. Because Harris isn't it.

ps. Sorry about the remark of your age.

Polls are a reflection of the sample, if you keep that in perspective, they are extremely accurate.

The issue is when individuals extrapolate that data-set and try to apply it across an entire population which may have demographics which are not representative of that specific sample.

Harris will reset the slate, she doesn't have the old-age/incompetent baggage and she isn't a convicted criminal like Trump.
She is a "clean slate" with far less baggage. I don't think the Democrat party has the time to fluff around and needs to back her 100% or just hand the election to Trump.

It will be interesting what attack/lie Trump will conjure up. - Will it be another lock her up lie that never eventuates?



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Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024
Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

Apology accepted, then I am sorry about criticising your spelling.

But you seem wrong about your comment on Hillary's polls according to Sundin. I can't say, I wasn't tracking every single one, in fact I was barely paying attention to that election. But I can't recall many polls saying "Brexit has no chance" and I'm British, Lol.

Here's a compilation of BREXIT's polls - EU Referendum Poll of Polls - Financial Times

So it doesn't seem polls were as off as you're claiming on an overall average, especially with the end result being as close as it was, many of those polls are close, with a lot of undecideds to sway things in either direction.

Hillary won the popular vote and IIRC lost by about 80,000 votes. She really didn't lose by much. No, they didn't "rig" the debates, Bernie lost plain and simple and Bernie fans (which I'm one) need to get over it, Bernie did. They do an open convention, Harris will win it, it's a waste of time.

It is well known, that during the primary debates between Hillary and Berny, the DNC coordinated the debate questions with the Hillary camp to give her an advantage. It's the reason that the then DNC chair Dona Brazile had to step down after this was revealed later on.

Some references:

https://observer.com/2017/03/donna-brazile-admits-primaries-rigged-for-hillary-clinton/

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/donna-brazile-2016-primary/index.html

About Clinton's chances of winning in 2016, Reuters put her at 90%

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/clinton-has-90-percent-chance-of-winning-reutersipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J0/

New York Times had her at 85%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

So Hillary getting debate questions ahead of time is the reason she won nearly 3.7m more votes? Look as fucked up as that is, I've seen Bernie debate, he's a very strong debater and quick thinker, yes it's fucked if Hillary got that advantage, no I do not believe it's the reason she got millions more votes. Bernie lost for one reason, he got less votes than Hillary.

Lets say the polls are inaccurate, who do you honestly believe stands a chance against Harris with 4 months to go? Why do you think everyone is already backing her? The only ones challenging her are the loons like Marianne Williamson because most people know they don't stand a chance, why are Whitmer, Shapiro, Newsom, etc. Already dropping out?

And please don't say Bernie...Biden was just ripped apart for his age, Bernie may be more intellectually sound but the man had a heart attack recently and is just as old as Biden, the concerns for Bernie would be equally as bad, we just got rid of one old dude, it'd be insane to replace him with another. Harris is the most well-known candidate, with a strong proven record (aside from Republicans blocking her from doing shit), she is on the Biden-Harris ticket which millions of people voted for, they don't just vote for President, they vote for VP as well. If Biden won the election and (God forbid) dropped dead next year, Harris would take over, and we wouldn't do any "open-primary" and few would care.

I do not see it as anything but a waste of time which aids Republicans. We really going to make Harris debate Marianne Williamson? Lol.

It is a, to put it bluntly, stupid idea, which only aids the Republicans, just to please a vocal minority of online voices shouting about "Democracy!"

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Ryuu96 on 21 July 2024

The people are speaking through their donations too.

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SanAndreasX on 21 July 2024
TallSilhouette said:

I know the big news is the presidential race but it still amazes me what a sociopath Kari Lake is.

I am proud of the fact that my vote kept this nut case news anchor from becoming governor of Arizona.