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Tober on 21 July 2024
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Ryuu96 said:
Tober said:

I'm Dutch. And I remember very well the POLLS telling the world that Clinton would win by a landslide. How brexit has no chance. I will never trust a POLL ever again and I would recommend to everyone to do the same.

Heck the Democrats convinced Biden not to run in 2016 to give Hillary the white house. Then unexpectedly Berny became a threat to her anointment, so they cheated him out of it by rigging the primary debates. It all fell on their face when Trump won.

And they are doing the same with anointing Harris. History does not repeat, but it rhymes. They should have an open convention to get the strongest candidate. Because Harris isn't it.

ps. Sorry about the remark of your age.

Apology accepted, then I am sorry about criticising your spelling.

But you seem wrong about your comment on Hillary's polls according to Sundin. I can't say, I wasn't tracking every single one, in fact I was barely paying attention to that election. But I can't recall many polls saying "Brexit has no chance" and I'm British, Lol.

Here's a compilation of BREXIT's polls - EU Referendum Poll of Polls - Financial Times

So it doesn't seem polls were as off as you're claiming on an overall average, especially with the end result being as close as it was, many of those polls are close, with a lot of undecideds to sway things in either direction.

Hillary won the popular vote and IIRC lost by about 80,000 votes. She really didn't lose by much. No, they didn't "rig" the debates, Bernie lost plain and simple and Bernie fans (which I'm one) need to get over it, Bernie did. They do an open convention, Harris will win it, it's a waste of time.

It is well known, that during the primary debates between Hillary and Berny, the DNC coordinated the debate questions with the Hillary camp to give her an advantage. It's the reason that the then DNC chair Dona Brazile had to step down after this was revealed later on.

Some references:

https://observer.com/2017/03/donna-brazile-admits-primaries-rigged-for-hillary-clinton/

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/donna-brazile-2016-primary/index.html

About Clinton's chances of winning in 2016, Reuters put her at 90%

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/clinton-has-90-percent-chance-of-winning-reutersipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J0/

New York Times had her at 85%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html