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[Ryuu96]

Tober said:

Ryuu96 said:

Apology accepted, then I am sorry about criticising your spelling.

But you seem wrong about your comment on Hillary's polls according to Sundin. I can't say, I wasn't tracking every single one, in fact I was barely paying attention to that election. But I can't recall many polls saying "Brexit has no chance" and I'm British, Lol.

Here's a compilation of BREXIT's polls - EU Referendum Poll of Polls - Financial Times

So it doesn't seem polls were as off as you're claiming on an overall average, especially with the end result being as close as it was, many of those polls are close, with a lot of undecideds to sway things in either direction.

Hillary won the popular vote and IIRC lost by about 80,000 votes. She really didn't lose by much. No, they didn't "rig" the debates, Bernie lost plain and simple and Bernie fans (which I'm one) need to get over it, Bernie did. They do an open convention, Harris will win it, it's a waste of time.

It is well known, that during the primary debates between Hillary and Berny, the DNC coordinated the debate questions with the Hillary camp to give her an advantage. It's the reason that the then DNC chair Dona Brazile had to step down after this was revealed later on.

Some references:

https://observer.com/2017/03/donna-brazile-admits-primaries-rigged-for-hillary-clinton/

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/donna-brazile-2016-primary/index.html

About Clinton's chances of winning in 2016, Reuters put her at 90%

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/clinton-has-90-percent-chance-of-winning-reutersipsos-states-of-the-nation-idUSKBN1322J0/

New York Times had her at 85%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/upshot/presidential-polls-forecast.html

So Hillary getting debate questions ahead of time is the reason she won nearly 3.7m more votes? Look as fucked up as that is, I've seen Bernie debate, he's a very strong debater and quick thinker, yes it's fucked if Hillary got that advantage, no I do not believe it's the reason she got millions more votes. Bernie lost for one reason, he got less votes than Hillary.

Lets say the polls are inaccurate, who do you honestly believe stands a chance against Harris with 4 months to go? Why do you think everyone is already backing her? The only ones challenging her are the loons like Marianne Williamson because most people know they don't stand a chance, why are Whitmer, Shapiro, Newsom, etc. Already dropping out?

And please don't say Bernie...Biden was just ripped apart for his age, Bernie may be more intellectually sound but the man had a heart attack recently and is just as old as Biden, the concerns for Bernie would be equally as bad, we just got rid of one old dude, it'd be insane to replace him with another. Harris is the most well-known candidate, with a strong proven record (aside from Republicans blocking her from doing shit), she is on the Biden-Harris ticket which millions of people voted for, they don't just vote for President, they vote for VP as well. If Biden won the election and (God forbid) dropped dead next year, Harris would take over, and we wouldn't do any "open-primary" and few would care.

I do not see it as anything but a waste of time which aids Republicans. We really going to make Harris debate Marianne Williamson? Lol.

It is a, to put it bluntly, stupid idea, which only aids the Republicans, just to please a vocal minority of online voices shouting about "Democracy!"

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 July 2024