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Shaunodon said:
Machiavellian said:

Its this all because of the law that was passed in the EU.  I believe we will be seeing something of the same thing with Sony as they will need to comply as well.  Not sure if this effect Nintendo because they already do not allow this on their console I believe.  

Also from what I read is that it uses age simulation which I would believe is the date of the account.  If you like myself have had an account since the first Xbox, well there is no need for all that other stuff.  Should be interesting how this will be done with other games and services like Steam.

The fact that local goverments inact these policies and corporations are already prepared to not only implement them, but already plan to spread it to other countries is the problem in the first place. It's an incredibly dangerous precedent.

We shouldn't have to be worrying about details of what kind of restrictions may or may not apply to us. They shouldn't have the right to impose their bullshit over us. We allow this now, it only opens the door for them to get more greedy and abusive.

Not even sure what you are talking about.  Are you talking about the making of laws that effect you or that the corporations being able to comply with the laws that effect you.  When has that not been something since the dawn of time.  Who are getting more abusive, the law makers or the corporations or both because I am not sure what the corporations is going to do when a law comes down where they must comply.  Just like with any law, if you do not like it, then you better hope there is enough people that care or you just spitting disappointment in the wind.



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Machiavellian said:
Tober said:

That 3rth party age verification company is not running on fumes. It costs money. So it will either increase gaming cost or they sell your data. Probably both.

Isn't that illegal to do in the UK.  Not really all that up to date on EU laws and so forth but I thought you have to get the user permission for that.

If people are forced to enter their private information for age verification, what do you think that means? It's implicit consent, which they're coercing through the use of restricting fundamental features which we pay for.



More directly, if it was technically illegal or they promised not to do it, do you think that would actually stop goverment intelligence or corporations from doing so?

The same trillion dollar corporations that literally pirate copyrighted material for their AI training, because it's more convenient than having to buy all the material legally.

Having easy access to people's private information is far too rich a gold mine for them to not abuse it.



Shaunodon said:
Machiavellian said:

Isn't that illegal to do in the UK.  Not really all that up to date on EU laws and so forth but I thought you have to get the user permission for that.

If people are forced to enter their private information for age verification, what do you think that means? It's implicit consent, which they're coercing through the use of restricting fundamental features which we pay for.

So who is at fault here, the EU for making the law or the corporations, I am still at a loss at who you are aiming your ire at.  How do you actually do an age verification if you do not submit something to actually prove your age.  If you are not of the age to use a certain product or information than it doesn't matter if you believe you paid for it.  That is like saying I paid for internet and I am 16 years old so I should be allowed to go to any site I want including porn site.  Your government has deem you should not be allowed to do so and instituted laws against it.  Its actually not the site that has instituted what is used to verify your age its actually the EU which has set the guidelines to what is acceptable.  



It's technically like 5 countries in the Eu who wanted the age verificition thing and they are doing 'different' kind of tests with it now. It could be in the future implented in whole the EU but they EU is basically just following what's happening in those countries. I will not trust VGchartz with my ID card tho =p






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Machiavellian said:
Shaunodon said:

If people are forced to enter their private information for age verification, what do you think that means? It's implicit consent, which they're coercing through the use of restricting fundamental features which we pay for.

So who is at fault here, the EU for making the law or the corporations, I am still at a loss at who you are aiming your ire at.  How do you actually do an age verification if you do not submit something to actually prove your age.  If you are not of the age to use a certain product or information than it doesn't matter if you believe you paid for it.  That is like saying I paid for internet and I am 16 years old so I should be allowed to go to any site I want including porn site.  Your government has deem you should not be allowed to do so and instituted laws against it.  Its actually not the site that has instituted what is used to verify your age its actually the EU which has set the guidelines to what is acceptable.  

Look how you've already resorted to conflating two separate issues.

The fact that these laws have already spread to blocking 'social features' on gaming platforms, means their intentions were obviously polluted to begin with. It had nothing to do with protecting children.

Both the law makers and corporations are in bed together when it comes to overreach and abusing their power. We should be protecting our rights from both of them, not trying to simp for one or the other and trying to give reason to their obvious greed for power and money.



My state, Virginia, was among the first in the US to implement the age verification thing in order to access porn sites a few years back. That I could get behind, making it harder for teens to access porn during their formative years is actually a good thing. But age verification in order to access social features like voice chat on Xbox? That just seems extreme to me. How soft are these people, my generation grew up playing games like Halo with voice chat, and those just a few years younger than me grew up playing the infamous Modern Warfare 2, with it's lobbies full of people hurling racial slurs and death threats. We all turned out fine, we had the ability to separate reality from a video game lobby. Why do they think teens need to be blocked from using voice chat now?

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Shaunodon said:
Machiavellian said:

So who is at fault here, the EU for making the law or the corporations, I am still at a loss at who you are aiming your ire at.  How do you actually do an age verification if you do not submit something to actually prove your age.  If you are not of the age to use a certain product or information than it doesn't matter if you believe you paid for it.  That is like saying I paid for internet and I am 16 years old so I should be allowed to go to any site I want including porn site.  Your government has deem you should not be allowed to do so and instituted laws against it.  Its actually not the site that has instituted what is used to verify your age its actually the EU which has set the guidelines to what is acceptable.  

Look how you've already resorted to conflating two separate issues.

The fact that these laws have already spread to blocking 'social features' on gaming platforms, means their intentions were obviously polluted to begin with. It had nothing to do with protecting children.

Both the law makers and corporations are in bed together when it comes to overreach and abusing their power. We should be protecting our rights from both of them, not trying to simp for one or the other and trying to give reason to their obvious greed for power and money.

I am not conflating any issue, I am ask you exactly who is it that you are directing your ire at as I stated.

You say these laws have nothing to do with protecting children and I ask you this question, where is your proof of that or is this just a feeling.  I am not denying that is the case or not but what are the examples you have that this was not a measure put into place because of abuse that has happened.

So you are saying these laws were instituted by corporations and law makers wanting your personal data.  I do not believe I agree with this because they pretty much already have your data if you ever bought anything online using their services you already provided said personal data.  I do not know but this seems to be a reach here to me.  There are so many ways that your personal data is already online and available to be cross checked and verified already that there really isn't any real need to make a law to do so. 

What exactly would be the gain from the corporation side in this particular situation.  What personal data that they are asking for they can use for whatever purpose?



Just to be clear, it's a UK law, not an EU law, although the EU will very likely have a similar law in the near future, the UK is basically volunteering themselves as a test bed for this shitty law, similar laws are in some American States, the UK's law takes things a step further, it goes beyond just porn, anything which could result in a child being exposed to 18+ content is locked behind age verification now and it has been so sloppily implemented that companies don't even know what to restrict now, BlueSky is also disabling DMs unless age verified and so will others.

As for Xbox, IIRC South Korea has a similar law but any account over 18 years old doesn't need to verify their identity, for Xbox I imagine if you've used a CC to purchase anything that will be another age verification method. The reason it is being expanded to other countries is because this is the direction the world is heading in unless we push back against it, stop it in the UK or else others will copy.

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shikamaru317 said:

My state, Virginia, was among the first in the US to implement the age verification thing in order to access porn sites a few years back. That I could get behind, making it harder for teens to access porn during their formative years is actually a good thing. But age verification in order to access social features like voice chat on Xbox? That just seems extreme to me. How soft are these people, my generation grew up playing games like Halo with voice chat, and those just a few years younger than me grew up playing the infamous Modern Warfare 2, with it's lobbies full of people hurling racial slurs and death threats. We all turned out fine, we had the ability to separate reality from a video game lobby. Why do they think teens need to be blocked from using voice chat now?

Teenagers will just use VPNs and the tech illiterate will expose themselves to massive security risks, do you trust the companies who said "Give us you ID and we promise, we don't save any of your data" because I don't. It's only a matter of time before one of these age verification companies suffer a huge data breach and a bunch of peoples names are linked to the porn they watch, blackmail goldmine.

What we should be doing instead is educating parents on parental controls and allowing them more control over what their children are exposed to, websites can be blocked via the ISP and activity can be monitored and also going after the actual corporations who expose children to shitty things, the algorithms of YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, etc. Are all designed towards exposing people to the worst.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 30 July 2025