@Ryuu96 Bit lazy to search but you posted as an example how Zenimax pushed Arkane to make a MP game so that by a sale they could ask more $$$ From MS.

Zenimax's goal was not to make a succesfull product but a succesfull sale. I find it hard to blame MS for Redfall, I blame MS for making it the first 70$ game and firing everyone.   Ms answer could have been better.

Lol, I'm not talking about Zenimax Media the holding company, I'm talking about Zenimax Online Studios, they're the developers of The Elder Scrolls Online. They really should be called Bethesda Online Studios instead, Lol. They have no relation to Zenimax the holding company other than being owned by them and sharing their brand name.

All my conversation has been about Microsoft screwing over Zenimax Online Studios specifically, when I spoke about Arkane it was in relation to Matt Booty saying that Arkane Austin was shutdown so that resources could be diverted to Zenimax Online Studios New IP. As for Zenimax Media, I do agree they pushed Arkane Austin into making a MP title, I don't blame Microsoft for Redfall either but I've only been talking about Zenimax Online Studios, Lol. God typing out Zenimax Media and Zenimax Online Studios so much in the same post is tedious, Lmao.

We won't ever know for sure unless we get some concrete info on all this stuff, but based on several insiders, Perfect Dark development being a mess isn't really surprising. I was excited for the game, but I think those reports about the game is closer to being true than untrue. Digital Foundry analysis of the game when it was shown supports this to an extent. The Initiative was a shell of a studio which can't be denied. Outsourcing the bulk of development to a 3rd party studios seems like a recipe for disaster and low and behold, it was. Overall, I understand why Perfect Dark and Everwild were canceled. It sucks but makes sense. 

The Zenimax title though is more of a head scratcher. It was likely due to how long the development was going to take to get the game finished. I don't agree with it, but that is likely the logical conclusion. 

• Zenimax Online is one of Microsoft's most profitable studios, has brought in billions in revenue.
• The Elder Scrolls Online has been supported consistently and with substantial content drops for over 10 years now.
• Absolutely zero reports that their New IP was behind schedule or in development hell.
• Executives and Insiders who have seen it have all said it looked awesome.
• No developer, journalist or even Microsoft themselves took issue with the development time.

We know it was cancelled for AI shit, Perfect Dark has an excuse at least which people love using to defend Microsoft but that excuse comes from insiders, the same insiders people completely ignore when it comes to Zenimax, Lol. It's like "Oh yeah, Perfect Dark deserved to get cancelled because this insider said this and that" but with Zenimax it's like "Well, the insider may have said this and that but Zenimax still deserved to be cancelled because...GaaS...Competition...They're wrong" weak ass shit, Lol.

I'll say again, if Zenimax deserved to have an IP cancelled by this logic despite all the facts then practically any game under Microsoft can be cancelled by the same logic unless it's an already massive IP. Gaddamn it's not hard to just say Microsoft made a bad decision here in the blind pursuit of short-term profits and obsessing over AI shit.

I look like I'm banging on about this but it's not really my fault, I just posted in support of the Zenimax Union, Lol.

Bro you need to honestly come to terms with this. Obviously, it's not nice to see people lose jobs to AI, but this is about to become the norm over the next god knows how many years.

Yes, right now, a lot of the AI that's getting used serves to primarily to make a human's job easier...but they still make it easier/faster to a degree that means you can have a job that previously required say 2, 3, 4, 5 people or so, and bring it down to 1. Obviously the extend of the redundancy being created various by exact role and task, but it's still happening, and will continue to happen more and more. Mind you, I'm not even saying this is necessarily good. In some cases it will be, in others, it will likely be a negative, or at the very least bring as many negatives as upsides for some time. But this is the world we find ourselves in now. It's up to governments across the world to really look into doing a better job creating regulation around AI, right now, because if they don't, this train isn't stopping anytime soon. The AI tools are going to keep improving. Right now, you have kids the world over preparing for a life/jobs that probably won't exist a decade from now. That's a serious problem, and honestly not enough people are conscious of the fact that's even happening. 

You got people looking at individual small areas when they pop up in the news, like oh it's too bad about these people, it sucks about these jobs, this field that I'm interested in, those people I care about...isn't this company stupid...don't they suck...they don't know what they're doing.....

Yes...sadly, they do know what they're doing. Building towards the future that the vast majority of people, including the governments responsible for regulating how we traverse that future, are utterly ignorant of being pretty much around the corner. Everything is gonna change in the next decade. How many paralegals are there in the world? How many anesthesiologist? You think these jobs have a future for people? Not likely. And we can go on and on down the list. Kicking and screaming at the companies isn't gonna change anything. Write your elected officials. Make THEM see that the average person is desperately in need of some safeguards in the advent of AI. 

That's my point, I'm not saying the Perfect Dark rumours of development hell are wrong, I'm saying that if people believe those rumours based solely on insiders and use it to justify Perfect Dark's cancellation then why are they trying so hard to justify Zenimax's IP cancellation which is the polar opposite of the Perfect Dark rumours and from the same insiders, Lol.

Either believe both rumours or believe neither but don't believe only one because the other makes Microsoft look bad.

I'm in the ballpark of believing both rumors to be more true than untrue. No matter what anyone believes, it doesn't change what happened. Unless new info releases, I don't see why I should worry about what others think is true or not.  

Nah, I don't think I will just be quiet like you want, you can rollover but I won't. I've come to terms that companies will try to replace as many people as possible with AI, it doesn't mean I'm just going to happily accept it. This won't be the norm if people actually fight back instead of doing whatever you're doing which amounts to total capitulation, Lol.

It also won't be the norm anytime soon because again, the tech isn't there yet and has hit a threshold without massive technological advancements, AI is still useless for complex tasks, AI still makes a ton of mistakes and needs people constantly verifying and checking its work. This is stuff I've heard a lot from people who actually use AI.

You know what convinces governments to actually regulate things and get off their asses? Peoples complaints, but if I and everyone else just rolled over and accepted it like you're telling me to do then governments won't do jack shit, Lol. They will let the companies treat the average worker like shit and produce even worst products as a result and tell us to suck it up.

I do think paralegals and anaesthesiologists have a future, I think those are two awful examples of what AI can replace, current AI models make even the most basic of mistakes and you expect them to replace paralegals within the next 10 years? Maybe if the legal information is filled with holes and inaccurate and people stop caring, Lol.

Anaesthesiologists gone in the next 10 years? I think you vastly underestimate the work that an anaesthesiologist does and vastly underestimate how critical it is where even a minor mistake can result in death or serious injury to the patient. The AI can monitor certain things but you'll always need a human backup still for the rare but critical incidents that can happen which an anaesthesiologist looks out for and deals with and the basic stuff like intubating a human. They are also there for the pre-op assessments, handling medicine, pain management post-surgery etc. You'll sometimes see your anaesthesiologist more than your own surgeon, Lol.

Anaesthesiologist to medicine is what a pilot would be to aircraft, in the sense that flights are almost entirely automated nowadays, but one minor mistake and everything is screwed and pilots are still needed for a few important moments of flight, hence why we still have multiple pilots in an aircraft and they're still paid incredibly well despite how much of their job is automated. Maybe one day the flights will be 100% automated but we'll still have pilots sitting in the cockpits ensuring something doesn't fuck up.

I guess it's just annoying when I post in support of the Union and then have defensive Xbox fans come in and tell me that I can't be mad about a game being cancelled because I never played it and therefore can't put any blame on Microsoft at all. And those same people will happily then believe the Perfect Dark rumours to jump to Xbox's defence in cancelling Perfect Dark, Lol.

It's hypocritical and quite honestly, comes across as fanboy defence. It's okay to criticise Microsoft, Lol.

I'm not talking about you BTW. 

Yeah, it's unfortunate, but this is going to become more and more prevalent. AI is going to be taking so many jobs in the coming years if something doesn't change, we're staring down the barrel of an unemployment crisis that will make The Great Recession of 2008 (peaked at 10.6% in 2010) look like a day at the beach by comparison, it could very well one day top the unemployment crisis during the Great Depression, which peaked at 25%. AI has already taken jobs in industries like fast food (AI order taking programs) and customer support call centers, and that is just the tip of the iceberg, the number of jobs that will be taken by AI will far exceed the number of new jobs created by AI and robotics development and maintenance. 

The governments of the world are going to have to step up and decide on regulations and policies that will limit the number of jobs that AI can take and encourage the creation of jobs in new fields, and funding for training people in those new jobs in new fields. Left/right, it doesn't matter where you fall on the political spectrum, this is a major issue for all of us, from primarily right wing rural farmers to primarily left wing office workers in big cities, quite alot of us could one day lose our job to AI and robotics, and politicians on both sides are going to have to work toward fixing it before it snowballs completely out of control.