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Do the announced changes at Halo Studios (prev. 343 Industries) have you optimistic for the future of the franchise?

Yes 12 50.00%
 
No 9 37.50%
 
Still need convincing (sp... 3 12.50%
 
Total:24

Wonder if we'll see more companies trying to move out of the insanely expensive West Coast US in exchange for cheaper areas like Poland...Too many studios clumped in California, there needs to be more diversification.



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Ryuu96 said:

Wonder if we'll see more companies trying to move out of the insanely expensive West Coast US in exchange for cheaper areas like Poland...Too many studios clumped in California, there needs to be more diversification.

I won't be surprised if that starts happening. One thing we see when budgets are broken down are developers in California being paid a substantial amount more than other studios around the world, unless you're Blizzard A big part of that though is due to cost of living in California. Everything is just so damn expensive in general, then California is twice that lol. So as a cost cutting measure, I'm sure companies will start relocating studios if not they're entire HQ lol. 



Ryuu96 said:

Wonder if we'll see more companies trying to move out of the insanely expensive West Coast US in exchange for cheaper areas like Poland...Too many studios clumped in California, there needs to be more diversification.

It needs to happen for sure, US west coast's high cost of living is definitely contributing to the skyrocketing budgets of games, we're talking about like 70-80% higher cost of living than cheaper areas of the US and an even larger increase over cheaper areas of Europe. 



Ryuu96 said:
coolbeans said:

For someone who's correctly called out DEI corpo shit before, I'm surprised you're using the that strawman.  Also, Ubisoft are the ones who've previously voiced their passion for fusing historical accuracy & fantasy.  Haven't AC Origins, Odyssey, & Valhalla included interactive walking tours that double as World History 101 courses?

In that context, it's odd that a random retainer gets the starring role just on account of his race versus other actual Samurai legends of that era.  EDIT: This kinda feels like the Fable protag discussion all over again, as though it's discouraged to question why she looked kinda gross compared to the insanely hot actress.  

Except this isn't DEI corpo shit, for Christ sake, every time you see a black man it doesn't automatically mean it's DEI, Japanese people themselves use Yasuke, Japanese author Yoshio Kurusu made a children's book about him, Takashi Okazaki's Afro Samurai is inspired by Yasuke, Koei Tecmo's Samurai Warriors 5 has Yasuke as a samurai, Nagoriyuki the samurai in Guilty Gear Strive is based on Yasuke!

Yasuke appears in the Japanese game Ni-Oh which is led by a frigging Irishman and nobody complained about that!

Leonidas I of Sparta wasn't a direct descendant of the Isu, Leonardo Da Vinci didn't chill with assassins, help create the hidden blade between all his other inventions and help an Assassin Guild, Pope Alexander VI wasn't a member of the Templar Order and fought in a crypt with a literal magical weapon. Leonidas didn't father both a boy and girl who went on to find Atlantis.

The Templar Order and Assassin Brotherhood doesn't exist ever. Adam and Eve! The Isu!

Where was the uproar when AC changed the historical accuracy of dozens of political figures since Assassin's Creed 1?

Rightfully you point out that Assassin's Creed mixes historical accuracy with fantasy. Yes, AC has had interactive walking tours that double as World History 101 courses, surely you see the difference between telling the history of some frigging buildings and the actual lore of the videogame itself? Take a history class and try to get through it by using only AC's lore itself and see how far you get.

"Yes, Queen Victoria worked with the Assassin Order to eliminate the Templar threat in 19th century London"

A*

For starters, we're talking about Ubisoft so DEI corpo shit can be the assumed default at the start.

As far as Yasuke's own prominence, I mean... okay?  So, he's featured in other works or served as inspiration elsewhere, but I don't really see how that contradicts my initial impression - especially with Shadows' own marketing.  It still seems odd to enshrine someone as a samurai who, by all available evidence, was just a temporary retainer among other potential legends of that era.   

I feel like all of this extra bluster touched a nerve, so I'll try to re-focus on my main point: from what I could glean, the stronger complaints have less to do with "black male protagonist" existing in Japan and more to do with "not ethnically East Asian male protagonist."  That's why I challenged Versus' framing.  Under that mentality, I can understand it given Ubisoft's past mainline ACs consistency, plus the general sentiment of being the "odd man out" regarding representation after finally setting one in Japan (which I guess is ironically subverted here).



KLXVER said:
Ryuu96 said:

This very much feels like moving the goalpost, Lol.

"Every protagonist of the franchise has been a native from the country that is being portrayed, right?"

You asked this and it's wrong. But I can be more specific then. Edward Kenway is not a native of ANY country in the Caribbean. He's from Wales. He's a fictional character at that. Vast majority of Valhalla takes place in England, which Eivor is not a native of. AC Revelations is a continuation, it doesn't change the fact that Ezio isn't a native of Constantinople, the country being portrayed.

And technically, all AC titles are a continuation of the other.

But I didn't get upset about any of those and they all made sense in context, just like Yasuke.

So I assume you are upset about Afro Samurai, Nioh, Samurai Warriors 5, Guilty Gear Strive and all the Japanese creators that had adapted or had characters inspired by Yasuke? And since Nioh uses William Adams, I assume you displayed this same level of upset when Nioh released, correct?

Nioh was a new IP. There was no expectations set for that franchise yet. Nioh 2 has a Japanese protagonist.

I think you are trying a bit too hard to make a point about natives though. Edward is a pirate. Why would he sail around Wales? There are multiple protagonists in Revelations. And Valhalla starts off in Norway and you play as a Norwegian character. 

Also Im not upset by any of this or anything you mentioned. I just find it weird that they wouldnt use a native character this time around. Thats obviously what many fans of AC was expecting. Otherwise there wouldnt be any drama about it.

There you go changing the goalposts again

Nioh being a new IP is irrelevant, it's a game set in Japan which uses a white Irish protagonist. This white Irish protagonist though is a real person who went to Japan, just like Yasuke. There's debate whether Yasuke was an actual samurai or not but AC has NEVER been strictly a historical documentary, the vast majority of AC is made-up nonsense, it has multiple times changed the historical accuracy of real life people.

If you're upset about this then you should be upset about Nioh, they're both fictional games but the problem is that AC is using a black guy in Japan?

Tell me when in history Queen Elizabeth worked with the Assassin Brotherhood to take down the Templar Order.

I'm not trying hard with the native point, it's quite easy, you asked if all AC titles have revolved around characters native to the country they are set in, I answered that, no, they haven't all been that. Edward is a pirate, I know that, I also said that it makes sense for Edward to be in Black Flag, that doesn't change the fact that Edward is not a native of the Caribbean, a question which you asked.

I'm aware Valhalla starts off in Norway, and the majority of the game takes place in England, I'm not upset by that.

As for Revelations, Ezio is Italian and Altair was born in Syria, Constantinople was in Turkey.



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G2ThaUNiT said:
Ryuu96 said:

Wonder if we'll see more companies trying to move out of the insanely expensive West Coast US in exchange for cheaper areas like Poland...Too many studios clumped in California, there needs to be more diversification.

I won't be surprised if that starts happening. One thing we see when budgets are broken down are developers in California being paid a substantial amount more than other studios around the world, unless you're Blizzard A big part of that though is due to cost of living in California. Everything is just so damn expensive in general, then California is twice that lol. So as a cost cutting measure, I'm sure companies will start relocating studios if not they're entire HQ lol. 

Partly why I think we won't see Obsidian balloon to some juggernaut Fallout studio unless they either co-develop it with Bethesda Austin or they literally kill off everything in exchange for working on Fallout. InXile, Double Fine and The Initiative are also in California...Hot take but at this stage I feel like The Initiative make as well just merge into XGSP and handle Perfect Dark from there.



Ryuu96 said:
KLXVER said:

Nioh was a new IP. There was no expectations set for that franchise yet. Nioh 2 has a Japanese protagonist.

I think you are trying a bit too hard to make a point about natives though. Edward is a pirate. Why would he sail around Wales? There are multiple protagonists in Revelations. And Valhalla starts off in Norway and you play as a Norwegian character. 

Also Im not upset by any of this or anything you mentioned. I just find it weird that they wouldnt use a native character this time around. Thats obviously what many fans of AC was expecting. Otherwise there wouldnt be any drama about it.

There you go changing the goalposts again

Nioh being a new IP is irrelevant, it's a game set in Japan which uses a white Irish protagonist. This white Irish protagonist though is a real person who went to Japan, just like Yasuke. There's debate whether Yasuke was an actual samurai or not but AC has NEVER been strictly a historical documentary, the vast majority of AC is made-up nonsense, it has multiple times changed the historical accuracy of real life people.

If you're upset about this then you should be upset about Nioh, they're both fictional games but the problem is that AC is using a black guy in Japan?

Tell me when in history Queen Elizabeth worked with the Assassin Brotherhood to take down the Templar Order.

I'm not trying hard with the native point, it's quite easy, you asked if all AC titles have revolved around characters native to the country they are set in, I answered that, no, they haven't all been that. Edward is a pirate, I know that, I also said that it makes sense for Edward to be in Black Flag, that doesn't change the fact that Edward is not a native of the Caribbean, a question which you asked.

I'm aware Valhalla starts off in Norway, and the majority of the game takes place in England, I'm not upset by that.

As for Revelations, Ezio is Italian and Altair was born in Syria, Constantinople was in Turkey.

Ok, so 2 of the 58 or whatever Assassins Creed games dont have a protagonist native to their country. I was wrong.



Probably Crash based on that. 



shikamaru317 said:

Probably Crash based on that. 

Crash 5 would be great.



shikamaru317 said:

Probably Crash based on that. 

The mask is purple as well......Crash X Spyro team up game perhaps???