Xbox players benefit from Tango and Xbox benefiting. I've already played the game so I'm not losing out on anything. The game has likely exhausted most hardware sales it was going to get. Let's face it, as great as Hifi Rush is, it's not a system seller unfortunately. It should be, but it's not. Clearly the game didn't sell enough, but now it might break even or profit with a switch release. That means Tango has the greenlit to make a sequel and continue to make uniquely fun games that might not sell amazing on Xbox, but at least get a release. I'll take that any day.

I do understand the frustration about Xbox releasing games on Switch but not getting anything in exchange from Nintendo. That shit is annoying. There is nothing that can be done about 3rd party exclusives, but that goes for all platforms too. At least more FF ports seem to be coming to Xbox soon. 

You said what I wanted to say, Lul.

I do think Switch is seen more as a complimentary device to high-end consoles, it competes with them but not in the same degree that Xbox competes with PS, or high-end consoles are a complimentary device to Switch, doesn't really matter what way you frame it. There's a huge share in people owning either an Xbox/Switch or PS/Switch but as Switch can't match Xbox/PS on power without severe downgrades to a game, it differentiates them. Nintendo themselves know it's useless to compete with Xbox/PS on this front so they opt for unique hardware but I don't believe Switch is seen to most as an "instead of" option but instead an "alongside" option, a Switch with your PC, a Switch with your Xbox, a Switch with your PS.

What I would argue for PC is that it's held back by a lack of accessibility to the general consumer, a bit of fear about building a PC, a lack of understanding of the tech, the high price and ease of access but if those things came down then I would argue that Xbox/PS would be hurt more by PC than Switch could hurt them. I believe eventually Sony will do day one PC releases as well. If someone has a capable PC then the need for an Xbox is lowered and slightly for PS as well, since these companies are releasing everything on PC now and if you argue that Switch users will just wait for Hi Fi Rush 2 then you can argue that PC users will just wait for PS exclusives, it's not even a case by case basis, they know everything will come eventually.

I believe if you have a capable PC it's easier to say "I don't need a PS/Xbox" because PC already largely covers what both of these two offer. If you don't have a capable PC then Consoles are more of a viable option but I don't imagine many will say that Switch covers what they need out of a Xbox/PS/PC because Switch offers a completely different experience to those options. I'd argue that Xbox/PS compete with each other directly and Switch/PC compete with Xbox/PS as well but they both compete with Xbox/PS on about the same level so similar arguments about Switch can be made to PC.

I think it's hard to argue that PC doesn't have some "negative" effect on Xbox console sales and Steam is a competitor to Windows Store, now you could even argue that Steam Deck is a competitor to Xbox console in the same way that Switch is, the only difference is Steamdeck doesn't dock to a TV but is that really a big enough difference to say that Switch is a competitor to Xbox but Steamdeck isn't? How many people exclusively use their Switch in handheld mode? If it's a large number than I would say Steamdeck is also a competitor to Xbox. Only difference is Switch shits over it in sales but sales doesn't judge how much of a competitor something is, Lol.

Since we don't have a clue why this is being ported, all we have is a leaker not giving us all the information, I think it's fair to ask these hypotheticals because at the end of the day we don't have a clue why it's being done but I could see two possibilities as to why and wonder if you'd change your mind on them.

1. If this is being done to guarantee a sequel to Hi-Fi Rush as the financial performance for it on Xbox/PC wasn't good enough, would you then be in favour of it? The chance to keep an IP alive over keeping a title exclusive to Xbox but ultimately killing the IP. Think about all the Xbox One IPs that died as a result of Xbox One exclusivity. Is the IP not more important than the hardware?

2. If this is being done because Tango wants it, because Tango wants a Japanese audience to experience their game which they won't get with Xbox, what do you say to Tango? How do you convince them otherwise? If this leads to a risk in Tango employees leaving, then would you change your mind in allowing it?

It's pretty obvious why they did it for As Dusk Falls. That game bombed everywhere but Int/Nights is a talented studio and it's a good game, it's just unfortunately extremely niche so I don't think losing it has any affect on Xbox and instead is a kindness to give an IP another chance of life and ensures Xbox maintains a strong relationship with a talented developer. Likely the same thinking with Ori too (since Moon asked for it) but it's a flip of the coin if it benefits you later.

Xbox needs happy developers quite frankly, they can't afford to go pissing people off, they aren't in the same position as Sony, Lol. Even so this has happened to 3 titles over 5 years (Ori, As Dusk Falls, Hi-Fi Rush) - Two very niche titles, two titles which were made by external developers, none of the titles being AAA, none of them having particularly noteworthy sales or and years after their release as an exclusive, none of them were pushing console hardware anymore. It represents a case by case still and not a trend.

Not just Klobrile.

1) Japanese Narative going on here is also silly,  It isn't the case that the PS released in Japan and owned, it took them +2 years to finally beat the Saturn thanks to high investments.   Japanese gamers weren't much of a fan at first especially when it had no JRPG's and no history while Sega had JRPGs and N64 was coming...

2) Hi fi did not only release on Xbox it also released on PC in Japan that has a 10-15 million userbase it is a benefit that MS has.  Releasing a game outside your ecosystem will not benefit you ecosystem but worse also will cost time meaning next game will probably be effected by it and less people potentially joining your ecosystem meaning less money that you and devs will make in your ecosystem and again damaging your ecosystem...

I don't understand the need to be negative about Hi-fi Rush potentially coming to Switch (or any other platform for that matter). It doesn't negatively affect you in any way for it to hit other platforms. Y'all act like MS pulled the game off the Xbox store or something and made it completely inaccessible. It's not like Hi-fi is this huge game like Halo or something; in that situation, the devalued comments would make sense.

I think it's a good thing for MS to port some of their smaller titles like an Ori or Hi-fi to Switch, those games aren't pushing systems anyway. Also, what games could Nintendo reasonably port over to Xbox? No offense to Nintendo, they tend to make the same IPs largely so unless you think they're going to put Mario or Zelda on Xbox in exchange for Xbox putting Ori or Hi-fi on Switch it's a strange complaint to have. Heck, if those Banjo rumors are true I'd want that to be on Switch as well.

I'm so annoyed at myself for debating this half the day when I said I wouldn't, an entire day of no Like a Dragon Gaiden. This is what I mean, Lmfao.

I only have myself to blame, debate is fine but I get too sucked into it. I need someone to tell me to stop

KIRYUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Bayonetta 2 and 3 for one and two. 

Nintendo was one of the first supporters of the ABK deal, y'all should bow to your Nintendo Gods and kiss their feet.

Microsoft knows who to thank unlike you Nintendo haters.

Wonder how long until other AA devs start porting their game over as well, or questioning why aren't X, Y and Z coming over to competitor as well. Second paragraph is my biggest annoyance lmao. 

Contradicts a lot of Phil's messaging as well, that's where a lot of the problem is too. Messaging from Phil, CFO, has been poor. 

Noble...When did you become so...Nvm this isn't Discord

Maybe I'm a hypocrite because I care less about it with Switch than PlayStation, to the point where I would actively support it with some titles to Switch and maybe I'm like that because I have a Switch and maybe this will get me in deep shit with Xbox fans but the thought of Viva Pinata on Switch...Ain't like Xbox have their own handheld or will ever do one, Viva Pinata just seems perfect for handheld play.

But I'd also agree with Banjo, if a Switch release is what gets some of these titles greenlit then so be it. Better the game existing than not at all. Just give it to some external developer. Still got a dozen studios making exclusives for Xbox and 98% of the AAAs are remaining exclusive. No cause to jump from "This niche title was ported to Switch years later" to "Omg Halo is coming to Switch"