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Ryuu96 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

They’re going by meta (series X ) which shows an 87 atm, which is the same score as FFXVI. What happens if it ends up tying each other?

OpenCritic is more accurate, Smdh.

True!  One of MetaCritic's biggest foibles is the 'Weighted Average' between different sites.  On OC, just plug in every site with a 'Top Critic' badge into your calculator and you'll arrive at the same score.  



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Ryuu96 said:
 

Do you mean the setting looks uninteresting? I like cowboy western stuff so that didn't bother me. I'm not really a fan of something like Fallout's setting though, all dead and depressing, Lol. I like the vibrant Elder Scrolls settings. But as for RDR 1/2, I would actually rate them highly still, I think around 9/10.

But RDR2...These complaints about Starfield's slowness while RDR2 received universal praise, I don't know...Maybe I'm forgetting how RDR1 played but I'm in a weird spot with RDR2...It's a game which I can appreciate - story wise, technically, the world is alive and interesting but the gameplay is so fucking slow, it's like I'm walking through molasses for most of the game.

And so I would never want to replay RDR2...I know the story and that's good enough for me, I have no interest in replaying the exact same story in that slow ass gameplay, which Imo never becomes any faster, Lol. Every activity just feels like they're trying too hard to be realistic, that was a nice technical achievement but doesn't make for fun gameplay. The story even is practically nothing going on for the first few hours.

I'm talking more about the gameplay, no issue for me about being in the western. I actually think western games could use more (and better) representation

But from a gameplay perspective, I did not see RDR doing anything particularly great for me. I would say for example Bully it's a better game, older, from the same company and relatively similar in gameplay, but I think Bully just does things better.

The positives that I see for RDR is that it obviously has high production values and if you actually like it there are a bunch of things you can do to get more hours out of your investment, just wasn't the case for me.



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coolbeans said:
Ryuu96 said:

OpenCritic is more accurate, Smdh.

True!  One of MetaCritic's biggest foibles is the 'Weighted Average' between different sites.  On OC, just plug in every site with a 'Top Critic' badge into your calculator and you'll arrive at the same score.  

It's also a lot faster at adding reviews, adds more reviews and I like them combining console + PC.



carlos710 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Do you mean the setting looks uninteresting? I like cowboy western stuff so that didn't bother me. I'm not really a fan of something like Fallout's setting though, all dead and depressing, Lol. I like the vibrant Elder Scrolls settings. But as for RDR 1/2, I would actually rate them highly still, I think around 9/10.

But RDR2...These complaints about Starfield's slowness while RDR2 received universal praise, I don't know...Maybe I'm forgetting how RDR1 played but I'm in a weird spot with RDR2...It's a game which I can appreciate - story wise, technically, the world is alive and interesting but the gameplay is so fucking slow, it's like I'm walking through molasses for most of the game.

And so I would never want to replay RDR2...I know the story and that's good enough for me, I have no interest in replaying the exact same story in that slow ass gameplay, which Imo never becomes any faster, Lol. Every activity just feels like they're trying too hard to be realistic, that was a nice technical achievement but doesn't make for fun gameplay. The story even is practically nothing going on for the first few hours.

I'm talking more about the gameplay, no issue for me about being in the western. I actually think western games could use more (and better) representation

But from a gameplay perspective, I did not see RDR doing anything particularly great for me. I would say for example Bully it's a better game, older, from the same company and relatively similar in gameplay, but I think Bully just does things better.

The positives that I see for RDR is that it obviously has high production values and if you actually like it there are a bunch of things you can do to get more hours out of your investment, just wasn't the case for me.

Oh okay, I can't actually remember if RDR1 was as slow as RDR2 or my tastes have just changed.

I would agree there's nothing exactly special about it.



Ryuu96 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

They’re going by meta (series X ) which shows an 87 atm, which is the same score as FFXVI. What happens if it ends up tying each other?

OpenCritic is more accurate, Smdh.

Yeah, I suggested they use opencritic instead but they insisted on meta 



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I guess Starfield isn't the perfect game if you just want to play your campaign with a few side quests but that is obviously what some reviewers weight a lot and that's fair, not everyone can play game hundreds of hours to get the full enjoyment. If you want to start the nerd mode and want a game which gives you as much content as possible then it will be probably pretty awesome.

But that's not really surprising from what we have heard about it the last year(s). I just think it's even more a "nerd" game for people who really want to invest hundreds of hours as many thought.



Reading IGN's Review.

Positives

  • Variety of Spaceships. Customisation of Spaceships.
  • Clever Hybridizing of Traditional RPG Skill Unlocks and Elder Scrolls System of Increasing Skills During Use.
  • Feeling Like My Character Has Honed Skills Instead of Magically Mastering Them.
  • Maybe Best Lockpicking Minigame Ever in an RPG.
  • Joys of Piloting a Spaceship.
  • Rich Sci-Fi Universe.
  • All Sorts of Morally Ambiguous Situations.
  • Mystery Story Pays Off.
  • Combat Gradually Becomes "Good Enough"
  • Immense Amount of Quality Roleplaying Quests and Interesting NPCs.
  • Stable for a Big RPG.
  • Very Fun Raid Moments in Space/Ship Battles.
  • Loot Keeps Combat Interesting.
  • Interesting Companions. Fun to Chat.
  • Eager to Finish Major Questlines Still.
  • Sprawling Universe with Detailed Lore.
  • Densely Packed, Stories Around Every Corner.
  • Interesting Side Quests.

Negatives

  • Stingy Skill Distribution (Can't Get Em All in One Go).
  • No Respec System.
  • Disjointed Space Travel.
  • Too Many Loading Screens.
  • Too Much Reliance on Quick Travel.
  • Slow Start Overall to Combat/Story.
  • Slow Rollout of Essential Abilities.
  • Disappointing Powerful Enemies, Easy to Kill.
  • Unmemorable Gunplay Without Something Like VATS.
  • Too Long to Unlock Certain Upgrades.
  • One Part of the Main Quest Being Repetitive (But Enticing and Different Rewards...)
  • Wish Bethesda Took Inspiration From Breath of the Wild For Puzzles.
  • Generally Visually Different But Barren and Lifeless Worlds.
  • Shockingly Bad Inventory Management.
  • No Maps (Including Mini-Maps) - Only Shows Points of Interest. Nothing to Guide You Around in Cities Aside From Using Shop Signs.

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Just doesn't really feel like it matches the score, Lol.

VATS is in Fallout because the gunplay is trash, Lol. VATS helps to hide how poor Fallout's gunplay is, I don't think it is needed in Starfield to make Starfields gunplay memorable. I can understand the criticism of the slow start but RDR2 was forgiven for that, Lol. Some other criticisms make it sound like Starfield is more of a hardcore RPG than previous entries.

I'm on IGN because they're the most popular and the dude gave Fallout 4 a 9.5/10 but Starfield a 7/10, Lol.



Ryuu96 said:

Also the slow start can't be any worse than Red Dead Redemption 2's slow start, I don't want to hear anyone complaining about Starfield's slow start who also doesn't complain about Red Dead Redemption 2's! Lmao. That start of RDR2 was something else, I'm glad I stuck with it because the story was amazing but the start was so dull for hours.

Honestly, the entire game is "slow" in terms of gameplay and never picks up in "gameplay" which is a reason why I will never replay Red Dead Redemption 2. Starfield can't be any worse than RDR2's "slowness" because the gameplay is faster paced and it actually picks up according to reviews, eventually. Plus I have plenty of time to get through a slow start, haha.

Basically, Starfield is slow at the start in both gameplay and story but eventually picks up according to reviewers but Imo, Red Dead Redemption 2 was slow in both gameplay and story and while it did pick up in story, it never picked up in gameplay, Imo. And I still loved it but yeah, I'm pretty sure I'll not mind a temporary slow start to Starfield having played something like RDR2.

Thanks to Spade for reminding me of RDR2.

I do think the inventory management complaint is odd in a Bethesda title...

No problem pimp. And yeah that game had one of the slowest starts out there. I feel the pay off was worth it with the story and ending, but FUCK...

Gameplay took itself too seriously.. the skinning animations everything... Just OCD levels of meticulous details. Took the piss. 

Rockstar always seems to get a pass though, doubt that will change. 



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crissindahouse said:

I guess Starfield isn't the perfect game if you just want to play your campaign with a few side quests but that is obviously what some reviewers weight a lot and that's fair, not everyone can play game hundreds of hours to get the full enjoyment. If you want to start the nerd mode and want a game which gives you as much content as possible then it will be probably pretty awesome.

But that's not really surprising from what we have heard about it the last year(s). I just think it's even more a "nerd" game for people who really want to invest hundreds of hours as many thought.

Hmm.

Not sure I'd say that, a lot of people are saying to finish the main story first, then do the extra stuff afterwards.

Probably in NG+ You can keep a lot of your skills and get more which enhances the gameplay, I don't think there's a level cap.

Reviewers are largely complaining about how slow it is at the start.



NobleTeam360 said:
Ryuu96 said:

OpenCritic is more accurate, Smdh.

Yeah, I suggested they use opencritic instead but they insisted on meta 

From my understanding, opencritic makes xbots feel better, so f that (see Ryuu's simping of Open)

Right now we tied on Xbox vs. PS, but we still have the blacklisted sites. 

Need it to land at 86!!!



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