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sc94597 said:
KLXVER said:

Ok how much should she recieve then? You keep saying its not enough, what is enough then? Give me a number.

The minimum rate her main union (U.K's sister union to the American Actor's Guild) has been negotiating with its clients sounds like a good rate for the work she's been doing. 

https://www.equity.org.uk/news/2021/december/uks-first-ever-agreement-for-voice-artists-engaged-on-video-game-recordings/#:~:text=Minimum%20fees%20are%20set%20according,(under%20%C2%A30.5m).

600 GBP per hour for first day, 300 GBP per hour for each subsequent day.

But the video game voiceover contract for the American Actor Union is ending next month, they should strike and ask for royalties imo.

Maybe the % of the revenue that their hours represents in total employment over the development period as an additional bonus.

So if the game nets a revenue of $60 million and their individual effort/collective effort of all employees is say 1 week /(52 weeks in year*200 employees*5 years) = .00192% of total employee effort. That'd give them an bonus of $1,152 from revenue of $60,000. 

Well good luck to them. I doubt it will go well because voice actors are just not a selling point for a game. The worst case Ive ever seen is what happened to David Hayter. He had been the voice of Snake for like 20 years, he was very beloved by MGS fans and he got to know about his replacement by reading an article or tweet from Kojima or something like that. Metal Gear Solid V became the best selling game in the franchise in like 2 weeks. Also God Of War keep selling better with each iteration even though the voice actor changes. So they are in for a tough fight.



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KLXVER said:
sc94597 said:

The minimum rate her main union (U.K's sister union to the American Actor's Guild) has been negotiating with its clients sounds like a good rate for the work she's been doing. 

https://www.equity.org.uk/news/2021/december/uks-first-ever-agreement-for-voice-artists-engaged-on-video-game-recordings/#:~:text=Minimum%20fees%20are%20set%20according,(under%20%C2%A30.5m).

600 GBP per hour for first hour, 300 GBP per hour for each subsequent hour, So for 16 hours, $5768.

But the video game voiceover contract for the American Actor Union is ending next month, they should strike and ask for royalties imo.

Maybe the % of the revenue that their hours represents in total employment over the development period as an additional bonus.

So if the game nets a revenue of $60 million and their individual effort/collective effort of all employees is say 1 week /(52 weeks in year*200 employees*5 years) = .00192% of total employee effort. That'd give them an bonus of $1,152 from revenue of $60,000,000. 

Well good luck to them. I doubt it will go well because voice actors are just not a selling point for a game. The worst case Ive ever seen is what happened to David Hayter. He had been the voice of Snake for like 20 years, he was very beloved by MGS fans and he got to know about his replacement by reading an article or tweet from Kojima or something like that. Metal Gear Solid V became the best selling game in the franchise in like 2 weeks. Also God Of War keep selling better with each iteration even though the voice actor changes. So they are in for a tough fight.

There has been a new bulwark of labor union activity in the U.S in the last two years or so, so it isn't totally farfetched. It ultimately depends on if things changed with the supply of non-union voice artists.

Last edited by sc94597 - on 18 October 2022

Chrkeller said:
KLXVER said:

So because some VAs dont work many hours each year, they should get ridiculous money so they can live of it? Its just ridiculous. Its not a full time job. So yes, getting 250$ per hour is alot. Thats like 10 times higher than your average wage. I mean where do you get the idea that VAs should be paid much higher for way fewer hours of work? Just because its not certain if they will get another gig? Well people who only work 3 days a week should get paid the same as someone working 5 days a week, because sure why not... Silly.

If people only work part time as a VA, sounds like they should have as second job to fill in the gaps.  People are too entitled.

If people need to work part time because VA doesn't pay enough then you won't have good professionals doing the work and quality will suffer. I would guess people from US/UK haven't faced terrible dub work because of bad professionals.

KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

So you think receiving less than the base minimum is ridiculous money?

Each profession have its own pay grade, and if it is a profession it should more or less as a competent professional afford you enough for a living.

Ridiculous would be me asking for teachers to receive per hour as much as a football player per hour on official matches. Nope, what I'm explaining to you is why the hourly wage for short terms contracts is higher than full time. There are professional dub artists that work on fixed contracts with an agency, so they will receive an weekly wage, based on the year value, and then that agency will catch the work and profit over it and charge based on the size of the contract.

To me what seems you and some other are complaining is that she and others should be making less because your 44h/week work pay less per hour worked than this contract.

Ok how much should she recieve then? You keep saying its not enough, what is enough then? Give me a number.

She didn't receive anything since she wasn't hired. You mean how much she was offered? Whatever it was it was less than 4k which is being throw around as the base payment for VA on expected duration of work.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

If people only work part time as a VA, sounds like they should have as second job to fill in the gaps.  People are too entitled.

If people need to work part time because VA doesn't pay enough then you won't have good professionals doing the work and quality will suffer. I would guess people from US/UK haven't faced terrible dub work because of bad professionals.

KLXVER said:

Ok how much should she recieve then? You keep saying its not enough, what is enough then? Give me a number.

She didn't receive anything since she wasn't hired. You mean how much she was offered? Whatever it was it was less than 4k which is being throw around as the base payment for VA on expected duration of work.

Yeah, and you seem to think thats ridiculous. So how much is fair for her to be paid?



KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

If people need to work part time because VA doesn't pay enough then you won't have good professionals doing the work and quality will suffer. I would guess people from US/UK haven't faced terrible dub work because of bad professionals.

KLXVER said:

Ok how much should she recieve then? You keep saying its not enough, what is enough then? Give me a number.

She didn't receive anything since she wasn't hired. You mean how much she was offered? Whatever it was it was less than 4k which is being throw around as the base payment for VA on expected duration of work.

Yeah, and you seem to think thats ridiculous. So how much is fair for her to be paid?

The evaluation of what is fair is between her and company. But a value that would allow a professional a living standard is base for fair imho.

So you would need to get what is standard cost for living wherever she is on a year, divide by what is standard number of days working a year on the profession and you would have daily amount payment (let's be real, it makes very little sense to expect someone would be dubbing for 3 different companies on a single day on a regular basis).

That probably give you the minimum that was already given to you by sc94597 that in USA would be about 4k USD for this work of in UK 5.6k pounds. And when the 4k is the final offer will you pretend the previous one was higher than this? Or will you accept that PG was offering less than the minimum?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, and you seem to think thats ridiculous. So how much is fair for her to be paid?

The evaluation of what is fair is between her and company. But a value that would allow a professional a living standard is base for fair imho.

So you would need to get what is standard cost for living wherever she is on a year, divide by what is standard number of days working a year on the profession and you would have daily amount payment (let's be real, it makes very little sense to expect someone would be dubbing for 3 different companies on a single day on a regular basis).

That probably give you the minimum that was already given to you by sc94597 that in USA would be about 4k USD for this work of in UK 5.6k pounds. And when the 4k is the final offer will you pretend the previous one was higher than this? Or will you accept that PG was offering less than the minimum?

Well 5.6k pounds is way more than 4k USD. So if she was offered less than the minimum, then the union is really more useless than I first thought.



Found the relevant U.K law regarding NDA's and pay. Seems like the U.K law is surprisingly actually less labor-friendly than American law on this topic. "Secrecy clauses" can apply in so much as the employee isn't comparing compensation to find out if they are underpaid as a protected class. Wild. 

https://www.mytipsandadvice.co.uk/2019-09/are-pay-secrecy-clauses-legal-UKPPPSAR_EU03050301

It’s not unlawful to have a contractual pay secrecy clause. However, it will be unenforceable to the extent that it prevents an employee from seeking or disclosing pay information to establish if any difference in pay relates to a protected characteristic and so amounts to possible pay discrimination.

Last edited by sc94597 - on 18 October 2022

sc94597 said:

Found the relevant U.K law regarding NDA's and pay. Seems like the U.K law is actually less labor-friendly than American law on this topic. "Secrecy clauses" can apply in so much as the employee isn't comparing compensation to find out if they are underpaid as a protected class. Wild. 

https://www.mytipsandadvice.co.uk/2019-09/are-pay-secrecy-clauses-legal-UKPPPSAR_EU03050301

It’s not unlawful to have a contractual pay secrecy clause. However, it will be unenforceable to the extent that it prevents an employee from seeking or disclosing pay information to establish if any difference in pay relates to a protected characteristic and so amounts to possible pay discrimination.

Its just such a competitive scene. Couple that with VAs not being a selling point. They just have no legs to stand on in these negotiations. VAs really have to depend on the kindness of the people running these companies in many cases.



i like how you dumbasses keep assuming its 4x4 hours not considering 1x4 or 2x4 or 3x4 but just speculate on halfassed info



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kirby007 said:

i like how you dumbasses keep assuming its 4x4 hours not considering 1x4 or 2x4 or 3x4 but just speculate on halfassed info

Well we have to assume alot because we have next to no info...