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Mnementh said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

A lot of these terms didn't really exist at the time, but there were similar things going on.  No one used the term "indie", but Doom was self-published.  No one used the term "free-to-play", because they said "shareware" instead.  But shareware was a way to get a whole lot of people to try the game for free knowing that a small percentage would buy the game.  (Demo is not quite the right word either, because 3 levels of Doom is more than what most people get to play in a demo.)  We also didn't have the word "causal", but that was my impression of the people who really liked Doom and other FPS games.  My buddy kept going on about how great a game Doom was, but I didn't think the game was too special.  I realized he never went to the arcade and the only console game he ever played was Tetris.  That is why he liked Doom.  Damn casual.

Of course, I was just an ignorant "hardcore gamer" at the time.  Now I realize that gaming needs casual gamers.  That is often how new genres become popular.  I saw the same thing happen to MMOs with World of Warcraft.  It was a game for "filthy unwashed casuals".   But if casual gamers play games for long enough then they become hardcore.  And they often need to try a game for free or for cheap, because they aren't that invested in gaming to begin with.  That's how the FPS genre started.  Doom became popular, because a bunch of casuals tried the game for free.

I agree that the casuals eventually might turn into hardcore players and help establish new genres. The thing is, Doom wasn't. Because people waited after Wolfenstein 3D on Doom and discussed it online in usenet (early predecessor of internet forum) and the demos they had seen so far. That is core player habit. The anticipation for Doom was that big, that it spawned the "Smashing Pumpkins into Small Piles of putrid debris" meme, which eventually was acknowledged by the finally releasing Doom as a cheat code.

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/SPISPOPD

It's not surprising that Wolfenstein 3D fans wanted to play Doom.  However, Doom was a much more popular game.  It definitely sold a lot more.  Also, I had never heard of Wolfenstein 3D until years after it's release.  But I couldn't escape Doom when it was a new game.  So many people were talking about it, and it was not the people I normally considered gamers.  Not only did it sell a lot, but many times more people were playing the free shareware.  Doom had reached a casual fanbase that Wolfenstein had not.  The PC was not really known for having good action games before the FPS genre emerged.  Doom was played by people who had a PC but weren't into either the non-action PC games at the time, and they weren't into console or arcade games either.  It had reached a new set of gamers.

This is not too different from WoW.  I am sure there were some hardcore MMO players that wanted to play WoW when it released.  But WoW reached a subscriber base far beyond what previous MMOs had.  Most of these were casual players who had never tried an MMO before.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
theRepublic said:

It is less rare than you think.

https://delistedgames.com/

Are you aware this list includes delisted games because other versions are released, right? (ex: Dragon Quest XI) Sometimes the game even gets a new launcher because of publishing issues (ex: Fall Guys). This is indeed a great website because it provides us the reason why the game was delisted

Ask WarCraft III players if they're happy that the old version got delisted after the Reforged version came out...



Bofferbrauer2 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

Are you aware this list includes delisted games because other versions are released, right? (ex: Dragon Quest XI) Sometimes the game even gets a new launcher because of publishing issues (ex: Fall Guys). This is indeed a great website because it provides us the reason why the game was delisted

Ask WarCraft III players if they're happy that the old version got delisted after the Reforged version came out...

Are they ever going to fix that game?



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