Thats exactly why I love you guys. You are the best mods ever and I wouldn't trade you guys in for any other mods on these other forums :)

 That's coming from the heart.

*cries*

It is.....bro.....*cries*...I have been on this site since the beginning. I started out as Tetsuya then gradually became addicted. After looking at this thread and looking back at my history here. I must say you guys are another addiction of a family to me. This is my first true forum I've been on :)

Love ya :)

 All too true, I'm afraid. I enjoy visiting NeoGAF even now because, with so many voices, there's always a few who have something interesting to say. But the jackass-to-good poster ratio is close to 1:1, with too many of the mods being in the first category. I recall the thread about Dan Hsu leaving EGM. He was never my favorite guy, and I think he's partly to blame why that magazine is pure crud now, but plenty of people feel otherwise, and they were filling the thread with best wishes for the dude. Then along came a mod to troll, and the whole thing went to hell from there.

The biggest problem with that incident is that it's far from being an isolated one. But the mods here would never in a million years act that way.

Can I get my brownie points now, please? 

I agree with you, 100%. I never thought this site was interesting, but after being on this site long enough, the numbers are the closest for a free site. Not to mention we have intelligent posters when it comes to the numbers. I have yet to see a site so dedicated to Video Game salez (thats right, a z) from a hardware and software perpective. The closest free numbers on the net.

The really funny thing is if this was neogaf, Shio would have been banned for liking a site the mods hate. Gotta love the professionalism.

Honestly their way of modding is childish and immature, and that describes much of the userbase. When you have limit freedom of discussion to nothing but the mods' popular opinion, you are no longer a legitimate forum. There is no legitimacy in destroying freedom of opinion, or intelligent discussion. Any site that honestly discourages these two things has quite a few issues that need to be dealt with.

I prefer nonviolence as a means to conflict resolution. Hitting back makes you no better then the other guy even if they swung the first punch. The better policy is to ignore them entirely, and that exposes them for their misanthropic nature. The irrational guy throwing a tantrum about someone that has no problem in particular with them is far more likely to drive down their credibility.

While we might find it humorous that it irritates them for no rational reason its better to let the comments slide, and keep doing your own thing. Eventually their free flowing hostility will poison their well, and more people will look elsewhere for civil discussion, and once that happens what can they do?

Lets not give them any attention. Nobody here has anything to prove, and if we give them the recognition they deserve which is none whatsoever it will only cause them more grief. Nothing wrong with not liking a sight, but is it really something to discuss. Better to discuss something relevant.

We should endeavor to take the high road. That speaks louder then a wise ass remark. That is where you find moral high ground, and if the members here conduct themselves with a high degree of integrity it will shine out to the passive observer.

Wow. So this thread was a success.

GAF is doing something right, because they pull way more traffic than VGC despite supposedly being gay Nazis (?).

GAF should just take VGC for what it is and not worry about it.

And VGC should do the same towards GAF. I check out magazine scans and japanese translations and the like on GAF all the time. They're great for a lot of stuff like that... plus random sparrings with Jaffe.

I'd rank both GAF and VGC above sites like IGN anyday. At least you know what you're getting. And both sites seem to get good discussion and far better observations and analysis than the big sites which cut-and-paste to "report" and regurgitate forum flames as "editorials."

I can understand celebrating being cited alongside Pachter by the Times from a traffic perspective, but not from a credibility perspective. For those in the know, who can recognize that the article is garbage and know that Pachter is a punchline, it shouldn't lend any credibility to VGC.

BTW, for the GAFers reading, the great example of VGC blowing it with the numbers is RE4:Wii. Crosscheck the year-end 2007 totals (under World >> Weekly) with Capcom's year-end million-seller list update. Oh the shame.

But for the most part, the site has a huge compilation of "good enough" data. Accuracy will continue to get better with time, but in the meantime other values, like the plethora of info in one place, the timliness of the numbers, etc., better serve the low end market of forum rats and the New York Times.

Since some people are complaing about the Z again (especially the gaffers), here's something for them:

Millward Brown Brandz Ranking 2008 is out, and Nintendo is not in the Top 100!

http://www.millwardbrown.com/Sites/optimor/Content/KnowledgeCenter/BrandzRanking.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrandZ

Hey Erik, Vgchartz is actually getting 50 % to 100 % more traffic than NeoGAF, at least according to Alexa.