By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Between the Big three (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo), who is the worst when at the top?

smroadkill15 said:
PotentHerbs said:

Would honestly be Microsoft.

They would turn gaming into subscription services similar to Office365 and Microsoft Word. One time purchases will be changed into monthly fees to essentially rent a game. As anti consumer as Sony and Nintendo have been recently, Microsoft trying to double the cost of XBLG is by far the worst consumer practice in recent memory, despite walking back on that.

What a hyperbole statement with nothing to actually back it up. Last I checked, every game on Game Pass can be bought separately and is not required to access any games. Unlike PS Now which is required to access ps1-ps3 games and will continue that way with the new PS+ essential and Premium subscription. Tell me if I'm wrong, but even Nintendo Online Expansion Pack legacy games require a subscription to play and can't be bought separately. So please, tell us how anti-consumer MS is when the competition is the one actually hiding games behind a subscription?  

The doubling cost of Gold was dumb and they realize that and backed off within a day. If that is the worst thing MS has done, and they didn't even follow through with it, then whatever. 

Wow you’re right, one of the biggest doomsday concern trolling of GamePass has always been MS walling off games behind a sub, and now it’s actually the other two companies that do it. That’s funny.



Around the Network

Nintendo is not in the same market as the other 2.

But when Nintendo was at the top, Wii times, they get lazy, same now with the switch, still no new metroid prime, still no new pikmin and so on.

Sony will always be sony, if at the top or not, they will always launch great single player exclusive games, they will always push tech forward, even when they were way at the top with ps4, they still pushed VR, and now they are pushing with new controller features and VR 2.

Microsoft is all about money, they push gaming forward when they are the bottom, like the start of the 360, and start of the X/S, but once they get the consumers locked in, they will not release any new games, also their hardware is cheap, like the elite 2 controller that keeps breaking and they keep selling them for 200 dollars. Also remember they are the ones who introduced paid online, if it wasn't for Microsoft we could be having now free online just like on PC.

On top of that, they had like 2 or 3 games for the whole of this generation when both sony and nintendo keep pushing games.



victor83fernandes said:

Nintendo is not in the same market as the other 2.

But when Nintendo was at the top, Wii times, they get lazy, same now with the switch, still no new metroid prime, still no new pikmin and so on.

You think that's because of laziness? Are you trolling?



Not necessarily bad, let alone ‘worst’, but one could argue that with Nintendo and their risks every generation without ever taking into consideration what worked and didn’t work in the generations past deserve to be on a special kind of list.

Perhaps the only exception on the statement above would be, maybe, the Switch. Let’s hope Nintendo builds upon that.

All I know is that I always got something to bitch about Nintendo every generation; except maybe the Gameboy. Having a handheld console back then was awesome.

Still Nintendo is frustrating.



victor83fernandes said:

Nintendo is not in the same market as the other 2.

But when Nintendo was at the top, Wii times, they get lazy, same now with the switch, still no new metroid prime, still no new pikmin and so on.

Sony will always be sony, if at the top or not, they will always launch great single player exclusive games, they will always push tech forward, even when they were way at the top with ps4, they still pushed VR, and now they are pushing with new controller features and VR 2.

Microsoft is all about money, they push gaming forward when they are the bottom, like the start of the 360, and start of the X/S, but once they get the consumers locked in, they will not release any new games, also their hardware is cheap, like the elite 2 controller that keeps breaking and they keep selling them for 200 dollars. Also remember they are the ones who introduced paid online, if it wasn't for Microsoft we could be having now free online just like on PC.

On top of that, they had like 2 or 3 games for the whole of this generation when both sony and nintendo keep pushing games.

Microsoft is the only one about money? You could have fooled me. Especially with how much of a loss apparently Game Pass is and it won't be profitable according to some. Sorry to continue to burst your Xbox bashing bubble but I believe the Dreamcast SegaNet was the first console to introduce paid online. Xbox hardware has been pretty damn reliable and well built minus the launch 360 models and Elite 2 being the outliner since then. Xbox One X, Original Xbox, every Xbox controller minus Series 2, 360 S, Series X|S, Xbox Adaptive Controller, Kinect, are all well built pieces of hardware. X1 was the only gen with poor software support far. 



Around the Network

I'm not ashamed to admit I didn't read all the pages, but I'm going to submit my answer for the ages:

ANY AND ALL OF THEM.

These are companies, and a company's sole (and SOUL!) purpose is to part people and their money.  There is NO company that is immune to greed when they're at the top, none of them.

Heck, I've even seen greed infect non-profit organizations if enough money flows.  I don't want ANY of the companies "at the top", there should always be a healthy competition and round robin on who's in that top spot to keep things favorable for the end user/consumer.



Check out my entertainment gaming channel!
^^/
smroadkill15 said:
victor83fernandes said:

Nintendo is not in the same market as the other 2.

But when Nintendo was at the top, Wii times, they get lazy, same now with the switch, still no new metroid prime, still no new pikmin and so on.

Sony will always be sony, if at the top or not, they will always launch great single player exclusive games, they will always push tech forward, even when they were way at the top with ps4, they still pushed VR, and now they are pushing with new controller features and VR 2.

Microsoft is all about money, they push gaming forward when they are the bottom, like the start of the 360, and start of the X/S, but once they get the consumers locked in, they will not release any new games, also their hardware is cheap, like the elite 2 controller that keeps breaking and they keep selling them for 200 dollars. Also remember they are the ones who introduced paid online, if it wasn't for Microsoft we could be having now free online just like on PC.

On top of that, they had like 2 or 3 games for the whole of this generation when both sony and nintendo keep pushing games.

Microsoft is the only one about money? You could have fooled me. Especially with how much of a loss apparently Game Pass is and it won't be profitable according to some. Sorry to continue to burst your Xbox bashing bubble but I believe the Dreamcast SegaNet was the first console to introduce paid online. Xbox hardware has been pretty damn reliable and well built minus the launch 360 models and Elite 2 being the outliner since then. Xbox One X, Original Xbox, every Xbox controller minus Series 2, 360 S, Series X|S, Xbox Adaptive Controller, Kinect, are all well built pieces of hardware. X1 was the only gen with poor software support far. 

Learn to read. I never said they are the only ones about money. I just skipped everything else you said after that statement



PotentHerbs said:

Would honestly be Microsoft.

They would turn gaming into subscription services similar to Office365 and Microsoft Word. One time purchases will be changed into monthly fees to essentially rent a game. As anti consumer as Sony and Nintendo have been recently, Microsoft trying to double the cost of XBLG is by far the worst consumer practice in recent memory, despite walking back on that.

Exactly. My thought exactly. People are just blind. They can’t remember the 360. When Microsoft wanted to grab consumer base so they started making great exclusives. They also introduced paid online. Or else today we could all have free online just like on pc. 

remember what happened when Microsoft was beating Sony. They got lazy and no new exclusives coming besides forza. While Sony continue with great games like last of us and ni no kuni. 

this will happen again. When gamepass has enough subscribers they will raise the prices and you will never own your games. No second hand. No lending games. Just pay up every month more and more. 



ZyroXZ2 said:

I'm not ashamed to admit I didn't read all the pages, but I'm going to submit my answer for the ages:

ANY AND ALL OF THEM.

These are companies, and a company's sole (and SOUL!) purpose is to part people and their money.  There is NO company that is immune to greed when they're at the top, none of them.

Heck, I've even seen greed infect non-profit organizations if enough money flows.  I don't want ANY of the companies "at the top", there should always be a healthy competition and round robin on who's in that top spot to keep things favorable for the end user/consumer.

The thing is companies do act differently depending on how they are situated on the market. Which is the main topic.

When a company has the most market share they have the advantage to shape and dictate the market more-so they unfavorable positions. We've seen this a lot in the PC tech market with CPU's and GPU's where the top dog dictates the market and when they have a near majority of the pie its usually bad for us consumers. Some act way worse than others.

Take Intel.. who had the hold of market for such a long time. Absolutely refused to release multicore core CPU's over quad for ages (for mainstream) before AMD had a competitive product like their Zen line. On the GPU market Nvidia shows how awful they could be and their prices during the pandemic, re-releasing priceier SKU's and taking advantage of the already messed up situation, instead fulfilling existing products on the same dies (chips) and selling GPU's directly to miners. On top of that not adding MSRP on their newer graphics cards etc to milk even more money.. is way worse than anything AMD has done when they are/were on top.

Granted all companies are out for consumers money, there are ways in which they act that can be seen as shrewd, anti competitive or downright anti-consumer when all cards swing their way.

Also whoever mentioned Dreamcast. The 'Dreamarena' online play was free using its built in 56K modem. It was not locked behind a paid service. SegaNet was an ISP provided by Sega of America who offered an internet service and broadband that could be used with the console. They released a broadband adapter for the Dreamcast shortly before exiting the console market.

Last edited by hinch - on 24 April 2022

victor83fernandes said:
PotentHerbs said:

Would honestly be Microsoft.

They would turn gaming into subscription services similar to Office365 and Microsoft Word. One time purchases will be changed into monthly fees to essentially rent a game. As anti consumer as Sony and Nintendo have been recently, Microsoft trying to double the cost of XBLG is by far the worst consumer practice in recent memory, despite walking back on that.

Exactly. My thought exactly. People are just blind. They can’t remember the 360. When Microsoft wanted to grab consumer base so they started making great exclusives. They also introduced paid online. Or else today we could all have free online just like on pc. 

remember what happened when Microsoft was beating Sony. They got lazy and no new exclusives coming besides forza. While Sony continue with great games like last of us and ni no kuni. 

this will happen again. When gamepass has enough subscribers they will raise the prices and you will never own your games. No second hand. No lending games. Just pay up every month more and more. 

Dreamcast introduced paid online.

Also, your remarks regarding raising prices and not owning your games.. you mean exactly like Nintendo did with the online expansion, and what Sony is doing with the new PS+? You gotta pay more on both just to have access to certain titles, which aren’t available outside the services, and are only accessible with a subscription. It’s funny how the doomsday scenario some here are preaching for MS, already exists with the other two.