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Is free speech suppressed on the internet's main public squares

Yes 32 52.46%
 
No 27 44.26%
 
Undecided 2 3.28%
 
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ConservagameR on 07 April 2022
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Dulfite said:

Musk isn't a right winger. He is a moderate, a 90's Democrat, basically, just with a bit more patriotism (about the West in general, not just America) dashed on top. For him to turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber would mean he'd start banning left wingers, which he has given no intention to do. Again, he's a moderate, not a right winger.

All conservatives expect him to do is put in place policies that protect their freedom of speech on issues such as abortion, crt, religious freedom, lower taxes for all not just the poorest, working to be successful rather than expecting government handouts which are paid for by the overtaxed middle class, right to arm and protect ourselves from would be aggressors, and many other conservative views. It seems like every couple years a legitimate conservative viewpoint shared by tens of millions of Americans, sometimes even 100+ million, is suddenly ostracized as a Nazi view that should be banned from everywhere by an extremely vocal minority of online forum warriors and extremely influencial big Tech companies controlled by the far left.

I actually considered him a Reaganite, not a modern right winger, but still a conservative rather than any modern democrat.

This is more so what I meant. Today's politics automatically put him on the right regardless of where he lands from a more standard balanced past politic.

I don't think Elon would shift Twitter hard right because he is hard right, I just can't help but wonder whether he would for a time, to teach a lesson while getting a kick out of the reactions. That couldn't go on for long before he would, pre planned, shift back to center.

Elon likes to make a strong point whenever he decides to, even when it comes to miniscule stuff, like not being able to sell a flamethrower.

What's that? I can't or really shouldn't you say? Oh really?

Zkuq said:

Eh. As far as I know, you have to say some pretty bad stuff to get banned on Twitter, but you can fairly freely express your opinion. Twitter's main problem is that is absolutely sucks for any kind of serious discussion.

Being so highly promoted by big tech and big media sure doesn't help either. The more consolidation that occurs, the more Twitter becomes the norm for everything and everyone.

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sethnintendo on 08 April 2022
Zkuq said:

Eh. As far as I know, you have to say some pretty bad stuff to get banned on Twitter, but you can fairly freely express your opinion. Twitter's main problem is that is absolutely sucks for any kind of serious discussion.

I managed to get deleted after one post.  I hate twitter but was just going to join it to call out musk on dogecoin when he was heavy promoting it last year.  I believe the worst thing I said was that he was a fool for promoting a joke shit coin.   Probably got axed since first post and his wannabe best friend Dorsey couldn't bare anyone insulting his bro.

I did make money off selling 110k dogecoin but unloaded before the huge pump.   Mined those shit coins for free years ago.  Once it got in the nickel to dime range I was like okay I'll sell this worthless coin now.  Should have waited longer if known musk would get a serious hardon for it.  Oh well still made some more from nothing.



ironmanDX on 08 April 2022
Jumpin said:

I find Twitter is a shitty platform for political discussion. It’s overrun by narcissistic queefs who get off on back-pats from outrage and virtue signal posts.

These sorts don’t give half a limp drunken fuck about what they’re talking about beyond how much they can make it about themselves. They live vicariously through each other as well, so that makes some shitty posters exponentially more shitty. They’re like automatons coked out on reactions, memes, and making other people feel hated.

I don’t think it’s the word count either. Despite the ocean of fecal matter, there are still sober channels taking the ego out of the equation in the more official and journalistic sections. Twitter is up there with other forms of news outlets for reporting on the Ukraine situation. Want a nice concise update that takes 5 to 10 seconds to read? Twitter is the place IF you’re only looking at those channels. That’s why articles about Twitter posts tend to be the best place to to read Twitter.

Otherwise, there’s nothing sacred about Twitter being a political speech zone. But even in those more sober channels, the shit from the ocean of virtue signalling and outrage always seems to wash up into it.

I doubt I could have worded it myself any better.



EnricoPallazzo on 08 April 2022
Dulfite said:
ConservagameR said:

It's too bad that it's too long after the perfect timing for this. It wasn't that long ago really, last weeks flavor.

When complaints were piling up, the go to excuse was, they're all private businesses and can do whatever they want.

Which of course was a shot at conservatives and capitalism, but it had foundation and legitimacy for those who didn't like it.

Now we have a private multi billionaire who's using that same type of excuse to get their way, and all of the sudden it's a concern now.

I personally hope Musk doesn't go crazy and turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber, but I do hope he tries to balance it better.

Seeing how Elon rolls, I wouldn't put it past him to start by changing Twitter's blue logo to red. Then later, just poll about Trumps account.

While I'd have to assume he actually has big plans, he's crazy enough this could just be to allow him to become The King troll, discipline free.

Musk isn't a right winger. He is a moderate, a 90's Democrat, basically, just with a bit more patriotism (about the West in general, not just America) dashed on top. For him to turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber would mean he'd start banning left wingers, which he has given no intention to do. Again, he's a moderate, not a right winger.

All conservatives expect him to do is put in place policies that protect their freedom of speech on issues such as abortion, crt, religious freedom, lower taxes for all not just the poorest, working to be successful rather than expecting government handouts which are paid for by the overtaxed middle class, right to arm and protect ourselves from would be aggressors, and many other conservative views. It seems like every couple years a legitimate conservative viewpoint shared by tens of millions of Americans, sometimes even 100+ million, is suddenly ostracized as a Nazi view that should be banned from everywhere by an extremely vocal minority of online forum warriors and extremely influencial big Tech companies controlled by the far left.

Agree he is definitely not a conservative person in the "old" sense of what conservative is. He is more of a 90's 00's democrat yes, but you need to remember the left has gone way to the left in the last one or two decades to the point that liberal people like Tim Pool and Joe Rogan are almost alt-right Nazis. Anyway I really like him. His story with Tesla and Space X are really amazing.

My expectation for twitter with him on board is that at least it allows certain things to be discussed, for people to be able to show their opinions when it is not the far left mainstream opinion. Also to end this thing of burying some news and facts under a rock, not allowing them to be discussed under the excuse of "fake news", "debunked" by "independent" fact checkers. There will be elections in a few months in US, let's see if something will change.

Also, consistency when deciding who gets banned.



RolStoppable on 08 April 2022

From my experience, freedom of speech is all too often misunderstood as entitlement to agreement, so almost all of the time a complaint about lack of free speech is actually a complaint that the majority does not agree with the expressed points of view. Which usually makes the whole thing the opposite of a desire for free speech, because the real goal is the creation of an echo chamber where differing points of view are supposed to be oppressed.



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Jumpin on 08 April 2022

Elon Musk describes himself “socially liberal and fiscally conservative.” Although, he mostly just plays one of Twitter.

“Socially Liberal” and “Fiscally conservative” are also bullshit terms. It’s a semantics game that capitalists play - particularly in the US - to align themselves with both the “Liberal/Democratic” tribe and the “Conservative/Republican” tribe, as well as appear like an enlightened centrist to the independents.

“Socially liberal” means he supports mainstream Western culture—it’s an empty label. You don’t really need a label to say you support liberty, individuality, democracy, and human rights in any western country.

“Fiscally conservative” funny enough, just means economic liberal - it means he opposes government interference in the market, regulations, and taxation and strives to approach laissez faire capitalism as closely as possible.
But, he only plays an economic liberal on Twitter. His corporations are built by billions in government subsidies and fuelled by tens of billions in government contracts. He’s tucked warm in the ass of neoliberalism with big oil, big banks, and the military industrial complex.

Neoliberalism and Musk are no friend of the right-wing in the US, who generally oppose government spending of all sorts. Musk is also no friend of the left, as he lobbies against unions and consumer rights - like he did when he lobbied against the rebate for electric vehicles supplied by union labour - because big auto (like Ford) are unionized and Tesla isn’t.



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sethnintendo on 10 April 2022
EnricoPallazzo said:
Dulfite said:

Musk isn't a right winger. He is a moderate, a 90's Democrat, basically, just with a bit more patriotism (about the West in general, not just America) dashed on top. For him to turn Twitter into a right wing echo chamber would mean he'd start banning left wingers, which he has given no intention to do. Again, he's a moderate, not a right winger.

All conservatives expect him to do is put in place policies that protect their freedom of speech on issues such as abortion, crt, religious freedom, lower taxes for all not just the poorest, working to be successful rather than expecting government handouts which are paid for by the overtaxed middle class, right to arm and protect ourselves from would be aggressors, and many other conservative views. It seems like every couple years a legitimate conservative viewpoint shared by tens of millions of Americans, sometimes even 100+ million, is suddenly ostracized as a Nazi view that should be banned from everywhere by an extremely vocal minority of online forum warriors and extremely influencial big Tech companies controlled by the far left.

Agree he is definitely not a conservative person in the "old" sense of what conservative is. He is more of a 90's 00's democrat yes, but you need to remember the left has gone way to the left in the last one or two decades to the point that liberal people like Tim Pool and Joe Rogan are almost alt-right Nazis. Anyway I really like him. His story with Tesla and Space X are really amazing.

My expectation for twitter with him on board is that at least it allows certain things to be discussed, for people to be able to show their opinions when it is not the far left mainstream opinion. Also to end this thing of burying some news and facts under a rock, not allowing them to be discussed under the excuse of "fake news", "debunked" by "independent" fact checkers. There will be elections in a few months in US, let's see if something will change.

Also, consistency when deciding who gets banned.

What's far left to you?  That trump actually lost the election?   Give me a fucking break.



Bandorr on 11 April 2022

And just like that he's out (as far as board powers go)

No big surprise. He shit talks twitter a lot. And well generally just shit talks.

Imagine if he was working at twitter/on the board of twitter when he called that guy a "pedo guy".

Last edited by Bandorr - on 11 April 2022

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JRPGfan on 11 April 2022

Time to sell, before he does.
When he bought in, his fame kickstarted a rave and probably made the thing shoot into the air.
I'd wait a week or so, and dump them (if I had any invested in it).



rapsuperstar31 on 11 April 2022
JRPGfan said:

Time to sell, before he does.
When he bought in, his fame kickstarted a rave and probably made the thing shoot into the air.
I'd wait a week or so, and dump them (if I had any invested in it).

I think it could go multiple directions, Elon may hold onto his shares and the stock may rise and fall like all the meme stocks tend to do whenever someone tweets something positive about it.  Elon could sell all of his shares and the stock could tank, or Elon could try a hostile takeover and try to buy Twitter outright in which case the shares could jump.