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Mandalore76 said:

I get that they go on to mention later in the article that the political comedy that Zelensky starred in 7 years ago is returning to Netflix, but was this really the most appropriate thumbnail that the Washington Post could think of pairing with this headline?

Russia-Ukraine live updates: Slaughter in Chernihiv and devastation in Mariupol, as U.S. vows Russia will be held accountable 

© Zoya Shu/APRussia-Ukraine live updates: Slaughter in Chernihiv and devastation in Mariupol, as U.S. vows Russia will be held accountable

You stay classy, Washington Post.

I wouldn’t have known if you hadn’t said it, which makes me think the person used the thumbnail without realising it was from a TV show and not a political rally.



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SecondWar said:
Mandalore76 said:

I get that they go on to mention later in the article that the political comedy that Zelensky starred in 7 years ago is returning to Netflix, but was this really the most appropriate thumbnail that the Washington Post could think of pairing with this headline?

Russia-Ukraine live updates: Slaughter in Chernihiv and devastation in Mariupol, as U.S. vows Russia will be held accountable 

© Zoya Shu/APRussia-Ukraine live updates: Slaughter in Chernihiv and devastation in Mariupol, as U.S. vows Russia will be held accountable

You stay classy, Washington Post.

I wouldn’t have known if you hadn’t said it, which makes me think the person used the thumbnail without realising it was from a TV show and not a political rally.

I wasn't sure myself, and proceeded to read the article trying to decipher why they chose that picture of all pictures to pair with the headline "Slaughter in Chernihiv and devastation in Mariupol".



Ukraine confirmed that Russian military is using unsecured lines for their communication, which they are able to geolocate the calls.  In one such instance, they were able to take out another Russian general and his staff.  More proof that Russia was woefully unprepared for their own invasion and significantly underestimated Ukraine's resolve and resourcefulness.  

Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report say

  • A Russian general was killed after Ukrainian forces intercepted and geolocated his call, reports say. 
  • According to reports, he was forced to use an unsecure network to communicate. 
  • 4 Russian generals have been killed during its stalled military advance in Ukraine. 

Ukrainian troops were able to intercept a call by a Russian general and kill him, according to The New York Times.

The paper cited two US military officials for the information. It did not name the general or give a location.

The report corroborates suggestions that the Russian military is using unsecured communications that Ukraine has been able to intercept.

In announcing the death of Major General Vitaly Gerasimov, killed near Kharkiv, Ukrainian officials mentioned "significant problems with communication."

Appearing to demonstrate that point, Ukraine released audio purporting to show a Russian soldier reporting the death of Gerasimov to a superior.

In the call, the soldier said that Russia's vaunted Era communication system had stopped working in Ukraine, forcing them to use unsecure lines.

Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report says (msn.com)




Compared to the last I posted (2 days ago):
+~ 500 Troops
+5 Planes
+13 Helicopters
+40 Tanks
+51 Artillery pieces
+156 Personnel carriers
+8 MLRS
+224 Vehicles
+2 UAV
+8 Anti-aircraft

Thats a lot of losses in asssets espescialy for artillery (+33%), personnel carrier(42 more in 2 days compared to the previous 4 days) and vehicles (+33%)



So even if Russia withdraws because Ukraine joins a non NATO security alliance with Turkey or some other countries, that doesn't resolve the loss of life in Ukraine and it certainly doesn't resolve who is going to pay to rebuild Ukraine. We can't just let Russia go back home without paying major financial payments to Ukraine to rebuild. There has been hundreds of billions of dollars in damage done to Ukranian infrastructure.



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Dulfite said:

So even if Russia withdraws because Ukraine joins a non NATO security alliance with Turkey or some other countries, that doesn't resolve the loss of life in Ukraine and it certainly doesn't resolve who is going to pay to rebuild Ukraine. We can't just let Russia go back home without paying major financial payments to Ukraine to rebuild. There has been hundreds of billions of dollars in damage done to Ukranian infrastructure.

Unfortunately I don't see this happening. Retribution imposed on Germany after World War 1 set the ground work for Hitler rise. While some retribution might take place I doubt there would be of any significance compared to the damage they've caused.



EpicRandy said:
Dulfite said:

So even if Russia withdraws because Ukraine joins a non NATO security alliance with Turkey or some other countries, that doesn't resolve the loss of life in Ukraine and it certainly doesn't resolve who is going to pay to rebuild Ukraine. We can't just let Russia go back home without paying major financial payments to Ukraine to rebuild. There has been hundreds of billions of dollars in damage done to Ukranian infrastructure.

Unfortunately I don't see this happening. Retribution imposed on Germany after World War 1 set the ground work for Hitler rise. While some retribution might take place I doubt there would be of any significance compared to the damage they've caused.

Make it a mandatory tax on the oligarchs. Their money alone could easily pay for the damages. Don't make the people pay one dime and if the oligarchs try to trickle it down to the people then it's the people's job to revolt and replace their government.

In fact, all obtained Russian assets worldwide should be sold and the proceeds go towards rebuilding Ukraine.



Ryuu96 said:

Someone gives their $0.02 on the Russian atrocities to come:

https://imgur.com/gallery/KbiMA7S

"Authoritarian regimes cannot admit to mistakes. There is no bigger mistake for an authoritarian ruler than losing a war. Accountability for war always lies with those who start it, and rather than admitting a mistake or a defeat an authoritarian ruler will always crack down on civil dissent first. The war is currently not looking good for Putin. It is possible that he may lose it. What is certain already is that this war has come at an enormous cost to the Russian people. I believe Putin will blame that cost on some fall-guy in his government and then crack down on any and all remaining public dissent with a ruthlessness that we have not seen in Russia in decades."



Dulfite said:

So even if Russia withdraws because Ukraine joins a non NATO security alliance with Turkey or some other countries, that doesn't resolve the loss of life in Ukraine and it certainly doesn't resolve who is going to pay to rebuild Ukraine. We can't just let Russia go back home without paying major financial payments to Ukraine to rebuild. There has been hundreds of billions of dollars in damage done to Ukranian infrastructure.

There have been suggestions that frozen Russian Oligarch money could be used to repair Ukraine.

Seized Russian Oligarchs’ Assets Could Be Used For Ukraine Aid Under Senate Bill

UK will rebuild Ukraine using Russian oligarchs' cash and take in refugees, vows Boris Johnson

Poland’s prime minister has called for the seized and frozen assets of Russian oligarchs to be used to help rebuild a sovereign Ukraine



CaptainExplosion said:
twintail said:

Surely NATO intervening sends the message that they can intervene in any conflict they deem fit, defeating the entire purpose of having countries be a part of it?

If they don't intervene Russia will win by a war of attrition.

From details so far, it seems the Ukranian cities are a lot better supplied for a long term siege than the Russian army.

Also, if it really came to Ukrainians running out of food and water, which again I think the Russians will first because their supply line is terrible, you'd see NATO planes dropping those kind of supplies over the major cities. No way Russia shoots down planes that haven't engaged it first, let alone ones strictly air dropping medical supplies, food, and water bottles.

And if you mean attrition by deaths in combat, then the Ukrainians are proportionally winning that fight against the Russians too.

If this becomes a battle of who can last the longest, Ukraine wins easy.