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https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-belarus-false-flag-operation-russia/31748531.html
"Kyiv has accused Russia of firing at a settlement in Belarus near the border with Ukraine in a “false flag” attempt to draw Minsk into joining Moscow’s unprovoked invasion of its neighbor."



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More than two weeks later and this still isn't over. Is the end of hostilities anywhere near?



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Metallox said:

More than two weeks later and this still isn't over. Is the end of hostilities anywhere near?

It is extremely rare for wars to be over in as little as two weeks.



SecondWar said:
Metallox said:

More than two weeks later and this still isn't over. Is the end of hostilities anywhere near?

It is extremely rare for wars to be over in as little as two weeks.

In modern times, not necessarily. Plenty of examples of short-lived conflicts that literally are called 'x' Day War, even among large states. 



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Metallox said:
SecondWar said:

It is extremely rare for wars to be over in as little as two weeks.

In modern times, not necessarily. Plenty of examples of short-lived conflicts that literally are called 'x' Day War, even among large states. 

Not necessarily as you say but more often than not they do extend over a more protracted timespan. There have been some shorter conflicts such as Russia’s invasion of Georgia (which was over in under 2 weeks), the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh War (1 month) and the Libyan Civil War (8 months, which is remarkably short for a civil war) but most are more protracted.



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Metallox said:
SecondWar said:

It is extremely rare for wars to be over in as little as two weeks.

In modern times, not necessarily. Plenty of examples of short-lived conflicts that literally are called 'x' Day War, even among large states. 

Please provide examples. Looking at this list, for both historical and modern times, basically every recorded war of mid size, large, or super power states has been 4+ years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_by_duration



So we got the world's best sniper from Canada, the world's best Missile launcher guy from Syria, what's next? This is starting to sound like... The A-Team.

We just need a wisecrack Brit and a super buff dual machine gun welding African American and the Russians will be running.



Zelensky would be wise to 'negotiate' a peace as Isreal suggested and quickly. Because he's running out of time. Most of his army is knocked out, surrounded or defeated.

At this point, he still has something to give Moscow. Another week of two and he has nothing to negotiate over.



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Stefan.De.Machtige said:

Zelensky would be wise to 'negotiate' a peace as Isreal suggested and quickly. Because he's running out of time. Most of his army is knocked out, surrounded or defeated.

At this point, he still has something to give Moscow. Another week of two and he has nothing to negotiate over.

What kind of nonsense pro Russian propoganda is this?

1) Just because they shade an area in as a color does not mean there aren't pockets, if not massive resistance in those areas still. There have been reports, on numerous occasions, of Russians losing territory they claimed as there's mere days later from Ukrainians.

2) The Russians have lost roughly 12,000 troops, the Ukrainians only roughly 1,500, not including injuries on either side. The Ukrainians, in addition to a massive military remaining functional, also have a tens of thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands of armed citizens and foreign legion soldiers defending numerous areas and more allies come in all the time. Their own military has started turning down new recruits because they have so many volunteers they don't have enough guns to give.

3) Kyiv alone has over 70,000 official Ukranian troops defending it, not including citizens with weapons, and they have the high ground. To take the cities with the defenses Ukraine has and the troops they have, the Russians would need an invasion force probably 3-5 times larger than they invaded with, unless Ukrainians were running away. But all signs point to Ukraine troops holding their positions and taking out 8 Russian soldiers for every 1 Ukranian soldier dying. And that's not including the massive amounts of Russian defections and self sabotage on their own equipment due to not wanting to kill people they identify as brothers.



Stefan.De.Machtige said:

Zelensky would be wise to 'negotiate' a peace as Isreal suggested and quickly. Because he's running out of time. Most of his army is knocked out, surrounded or defeated.

At this point, he still has something to give Moscow. Another week of two and he has nothing to negotiate over.

So again, Ukraine should just roll over for Putin. How far does that go? Until Russia is knocking on the gates of Brussels? I suppose Taipei should just invite China in while we're at it? 

We need more people in this world with the courage to stand up to Russia and China. The Ukrainians clearly do not want to bend to Moscow's will, and as long as they have the will to keep fighting for their homeland, we should support them. Russia may overwhelm Ukraine through sheer numbers over time, but this war has exposed some glaring weaknesses in the Russian Army. That's important to know.