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Ryuu96 said:

And that would justify Russia's genocide of Ukrainians... how exactly?

Also, his medley could literally be lifted out of the Hitler/Nazi speechbook regarding German humiliation following WW1.



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Next level of sanctions by making all trade in Kalingrad or via EUgrounfs impossible. Making Stalingrad a living hell and totally dead in a month?



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

De facto and de jure. I see Zelensky plays Crusader Kings :D



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

crissindahouse said:

It's time for Western tanks. If he's talking like Russia is already fighting against the West then he can also fight against Western tanks. He also mentions the USSR way too much so that every other country which was part of it should know they would be next to 100%

Western tanks work very differently to Russian/Soviet designs. Training troops on those would take many months.

While I agree, Ukraine would need some stopgap or upgrades for the tanks they have. Thus my suggestions:

Concerning western tanks: With the German Ringtausch system, they could provide older Leopard 2 tanks (A4 is pretty prevalent in several countries and should still trounce anything that's older than a T-90) and equip them with newer A6/A6M/A7 versions instead. Troop training for those tanks would be in Europe, close to Ukraine but out of reach for Putin.

For the Stopgap upgrade: If the facilities in Poland are still working and with EU financing, Ukraine could send some of their captured T72 tanks to Poland, where they could then be repaired and upgraded to PT-91 Twardy standard, strongly strengthening it's defenses, mobility and targeting systems. This way there would be practically no crew retaining needed and Ukraine would still benefit from having a tank that is superior to most of what Russia is fielding, if in limited numbers due to probably slow production.

However, I think Ukraine would benefit more from having some more modern IFVs. Their own BTR-4 ain't bad, but numbers are limited. Outside of that model, the vast majority are still soviet-era BMP-1 and BMP-2, which are pretty outdated by now.



Ryuu96 said:

"The Mi-24 pilot takes revenge on the Russians for the dead people in Zaporizhzhia!"

I will continue to be amazed that Ukraine's already very limited air force even before the war is somehow still active 7 months into the war.

It amaze me too. IMO it's a combination of very limited use and really strong intel gathering on Russian air defense assets.

Ukraine probably just don't use their air assets unless they can assess to a maximum probability of success.



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Ryuu96 said:

Lol. Four fucking cowards, after everything.

Really why states shouldn’t get to vote on matters they are involved in, including at the Security Council. Then it will just go to the general assembly thiugh. But really at this point the UN is a talking shop akin to the League of Nations.



Ryuu96 said:

Holy War?

Wait, Putin is actually Taboritsky? Time to verify your clock...

Spoiler!

For those who don't get it, there's a mod for Hearts of Iron IV called The New Order: Last Days of the Third Reich, where the Axis won WW2 but quickly fell apart afterwards. Russia also fell aprt into dozens of warlord states. Taboritsky is one of the possible unifiers, and his Holy Russian Empire is an absolute hellhole of bleakness.

Also, this song comes originally from a Soviet children's cartoon...



How Ukrainian Tank Crews Near Kharkiv Seized A Position Called 'Moscow'

A very interesting report about the conduction of a coordinated attack of several units of the Ukrainian army taking a Russian artillery position south of Balakliia to clear the way for the main offensive at the beginning of the Kharkiv counter offensive.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
crissindahouse said:

It's time for Western tanks. If he's talking like Russia is already fighting against the West then he can also fight against Western tanks. He also mentions the USSR way too much so that every other country which was part of it should know they would be next to 100%

Western tanks work very differently to Russian/Soviet designs. Training troops on those would take many months.

While I agree, Ukraine would need some stopgap or upgrades for the tanks they have. Thus my suggestions:

Concerning western tanks: With the German Ringtausch system, they could provide older Leopard 2 tanks (A4 is pretty prevalent in several countries and should still trounce anything that's older than a T-90) and equip them with newer A6/A6M/A7 versions instead. Troop training for those tanks would be in Europe, close to Ukraine but out of reach for Putin.

For the Stopgap upgrade: If the facilities in Poland are still working and with EU financing, Ukraine could send some of their captured T72 tanks to Poland, where they could then be repaired and upgraded to PT-91 Twardy standard, strongly strengthening it's defenses, mobility and targeting systems. This way there would be practically no crew retaining needed and Ukraine would still benefit from having a tank that is superior to most of what Russia is fielding, if in limited numbers due to probably slow production.

However, I think Ukraine would benefit more from having some more modern IFVs. Their own BTR-4 ain't bad, but numbers are limited. Outside of that model, the vast majority are still soviet-era BMP-1 and BMP-2, which are pretty outdated by now.

I doubt it would take "many" months. They may be different but someone with experience with any tank will still learn much faster and we talk about training which would be only about how to use the tank without all the other stuff a normal soldier normally does every day which has nothing to do with the tank itself.

May take some time but with daily training it will be fine. I heard that argument already 5 months ago and we could already have some who know how to use whatever tank they would've learned to use. If you always argue how training will take too much time they will obviously never learn it so even if it would take more than two or three months it's still no argument. The war may take years and in 2013 people will still say how it will take too long to learn. And the time could come when there aren't enough soviet tanks left for Ukraine and they still didn't get the chance to learn how to use alternatives

Just start already to train them. 



Ka-pi96 said:
SecondWar said:

Really why states shouldn’t get to vote on matters they are involved in, including at the Security Council. Then it will just go to the general assembly thiugh. But really at this point the UN is a talking shop akin to the League of Nations.

I think it's more proof that vetos shouldn't exist. It was a 10-1 vote, and the 1 won. So democratic!

I think vetos are fine so that you won't have as example a situation in which some countries close to each other could just do "what they want" but it should be at least some more vetos needed and the country which it is about should not be able to vote. Regardless if it's USA, Russia or whatever. As if a country would vote against itself wtf.