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Bofferbrauer2 said:
shavenferret said:

It sounds like the Russians know that they don't have as strong of a hand as previously, but still want a deal to be made.         

And yeah, the unfairness of their demands is very bad.  They have deserved every bad thing that has come to their nation.

I think they know that by now they have mostly trash hands but still manage to bluff their way through the game of war. But with the Russian economy starting to crumble and inflation starting to get really bad, I think they feel they are on borrowed time and between a massive rock and a hard place: They can't end the war without gaining what they're asking for (as it would cause both uproar in Russia and strongly diminish their international standing as a greater power, plus potential future weapon exports would certainly be much fewer if they pulled out), but they can't go on for much longer like this (economy getting more and more out of control, as does the inflation despite all the actions from the kremlin to counter those and the bailouts of war-critical companies, plus signup bonuses to become soldiers are rising higher and higher, showing that it's getting harder and harder to find volunteers for the war, plus of course their increasing lack of military hardware), so Putin is just happy to have some fool in the oval office that takes everything he says at face value and still has the Soviet Union at it's prime in the back of his head when talking about what Russia could do to get a chance at receiving what they want despite not being able to get it otherwise.

Yep, well said and fleshed out. I think that we can all see how the end point might look but it may take a while to get to that point. 

Sometimes the things that need to be done the most will be very difficult. If Ukraine can keep mustering up the will to continue then victory will be theirs....... eventually 



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JD Vance: "This is how wars ultimately get settled. If you go back to World War 2, if you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:17

Wtf! Where did JD Vance go to school? Lmfao. This is how WW2 ended.

Japan got two fucking nukes dropped on it and Germany got fucking bombed to hell and back by the allies resulting in both countries unconditionally and totally surrendering, there was no negotiation at all, the allies demanded an unconditional surrender and they got one, it basically became "Surrender or we'll fucking end your country permanently" by the end of it.

And then afterwards both Germany and Japan were occupied by allies, Japan mostly by America, which was the only time in the history of Japan that it had been occupied by a foreign power. Germany meanwhile was fucking split between 4 countries, stripped of its sovereignty and its government was entirely dissolved. Where the fuck was the negotiation? Lmao.

It was a complete and utter defeat of Nazi Germany and Japan.

Here was the "negotiation" with Mussolini too.

Here is how Hitler negotiated with the allies.

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We should twist it in favour of Ukraine (which is clearly not what this dumb fuck is trying) and say...

Breaking: JD Vance supports the allies of NATO razing Moscow and St Petersburg to the ground, America nuking Rostov-on-Don, Russia being split between multiple countries (America, UK, Germany, France and Ukraine), Putin's General to be executed by firing squad and finally for Putin to put a bullet through his own skull and his family commit suicide by poisoning.

Because that's the "negotiation" of WW2.

Please negotiate with Ukraine, Vladimir Putin, by putting a bullet through your skull

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Ryuu96 said:

JD Vance: "This is how wars ultimately get settled. If you go back to World War 2, if you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:17

To add to your argument, there is the Munich Agreement, a totally one-sided agreement that saw major powers agree to concede parts of Czechoslovakia in order to appease Hitler's ambitions. That is very much what the current negotiations with Russia are like, and more accurate to Vance's description.

Do I need to say what happened next? This just emboldened Hitler to keep going with the annexation, and into Poland, and we all know what happened then.



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Ryuu96 said:

We should twist it in favour of Ukraine (which is clearly not what this dumb fuck is trying) and say...

Breaking: JD Vance supports the allies of NATO razing Moscow and St Petersburg to the ground, America nuking Rostov-on-Don, Russia being split between multiple countries (America, UK, Germany, France and Ukraine), Putin's General to be executed by firing squad and finally for Putin to put a bullet through his own skull and his family commit suicide by poisoning.

Because that's the "negotiation" of WW2.

Please negotiate with Ukraine, Vladimir Putin, by putting a bullet through your skull

To quote Winston Churchill: We can always rely on the Americans to do the right thing - after they exhausted all the other possibilities!

Seems like they haven't exhausted all the other possibilities yet...



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

We should twist it in favour of Ukraine (which is clearly not what this dumb fuck is trying) and say...

Breaking: JD Vance supports the allies of NATO razing Moscow and St Petersburg to the ground, America nuking Rostov-on-Don, Russia being split between multiple countries (America, UK, Germany, France and Ukraine), Putin's General to be executed by firing squad and finally for Putin to put a bullet through his own skull and his family commit suicide by poisoning.

Because that's the "negotiation" of WW2.

Please negotiate with Ukraine, Vladimir Putin, by putting a bullet through your skull

To quote Winston Churchill: We can always rely on the Americans to do the right thing - after they exhausted all the other possibilities!

Seems like they haven't exhausted all the other possibilities yet...

You can't rely on Trump for anything.



fordy said:
Ryuu96 said:

JD Vance: "This is how wars ultimately get settled. If you go back to World War 2, if you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation."

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 24 August 2025 at 15:17

To add to your argument, there is the Munich Agreement, a totally one-sided agreement that saw major powers agree to concede parts of Czechoslovakia in order to appease Hitler's ambitions. That is very much what the current negotiations with Russia are like, and more accurate to Vance's description.

Do I need to say what happened next? This just emboldened Hitler to keep going with the annexation, and into Poland, and we all know what happened then.

Maybe that's where JD Vance's education on WW2 ended?

"And the allies negotiated with Nazi Germany to concede parts of Czechoslovakia to Germany, Hitler was very grateful and stopped his war. Shortly after, the Nazi Party was voted out of office by the German people. The End."

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😔 The Russians are brainwashing our children in the temporarily occupied territory of the Zaporizhzhia region and using them for propaganda purposes.

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 25 August 2025 at 08:17

Russians are fucking sick.



❗️🇺🇸🇺🇦 Zaluzhny irefused to talk to JD Vance, who was looking for an alternative to Zelensky after the dispute in the White House, — The Guardian.

Vance's team wanted to organize a conversation with Zaluzhnyi just three days after the leaders' dispute in Washington,…

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— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 25 August 2025 at 10:51

…as "Vance and others from Trump's entourage were apparently looking for potential alternatives to the troubled Zelensky."

Moreover, when Zelensky flew to London after the Oval Office row to Starmer, Zaluzhnyi met him at the airport and posted a photo of them shaking hands on his social media.

— MAKS 25 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 25 August 2025 at 10:51

JD Vance's alternative was the guy who is even less likely to put up with their shit? Lol. This dude is clueless. It sounds like they just wanted to cause drama in Ukraine and pit Zaluzhnyi against Zelenskyy so Zaluzhnyi's response to go and shake Zelenskyy's hand seems like a political move, a "I stand with Zelenskyy, I'm not challenging him" message to America.

Something I've also noticed about Zaluzhny is that he is pretty vocal in criticism towards America and certain other countries, I've seen him openly criticise the Trump admin, so WTF was JD Vance thinking? I don't know if Zaluzhny's position allows him to do so or he simply doesn't care but I reckon if he was President he would hold his tongue less than Zelenskyy does.

It's good that Zaluzhny and Zelenskyy still seem friendly with each other, they don't agree with each other on everything, and I think it was a mistake to remove Zaluzhny from the military structure, but they both want what is best for Ukraine and saw right through JD Vance's shitty attempt to divide Ukraine and pit them against each other.

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