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the-pi-guy said:
faustian.empire said:

1)Google has dropped out of the streaming business which they never should have gone into as i said before,it is atleast 10 years away.

Apple will be the one that starts then Google,Samsung,Amazon will follow.It will be more of a Hardware platform thing.

Sony and Microsoft will move away from Hardware platform to a software oriented role.

3)A multi Platform App Store would benefit somebody like Steam and Epic Games Store and Amazon who are behind it.Apple also is moving towards a more services based business.

Sony can also benefit from it but it will have to acquire a lot more studios to bolster its exclusives lineup like Netflix and Amazon Prime Video do in the Streaming Segment.

Sony will have to focus on either of 2 segments,A multi Platform App Store or A big gaming Studio with across multiple app store.FOCUS is the key topic here

Sony has one big Head Start that it is the biggest Gaming Studio,it is similar to Disney  in the Movie Segment.

>Google has dropped out of the streaming business which they never should have gone into as i said before,it is atleast 10 years away

They've dropped out entirely. They shut down their game development studios following MS buying Zenimax. They are choosing to capitalize on their streaming tech by selling it to partners. 

I would definitely say the future is trending towards software ecosystems.

>Sony can also benefit from it but it will have to acquire a lot more studios to bolster its exclusives lineup like Netflix and Amazon Prime Video do in the Streaming Segment.

I think it's pretty clear this is what they are working on.  They've acquired more studios in the past year than they have in the previous decade, and they said they are going to buy a lot more.  

Not to mention their first party studios are undergoing record growth. 

Insomniac, Firesprite, Naughty Dog, Guerilla, Santa Monica Studios are all working on multiple projects, some as many as 4 or 5 projects each. Something they've never done before. 

I think Sony is in a good position,just hope they don't get arrogant the way they did after PS2 generation during PS3 transition years.

Also,Microsoft has Really loaded up and is now equal to Sony in IP and Studios.They just have to learn to manage the studios.

Elder Scrolls, Starfield, Forza, Fallout, Call of Duty, Diablo, Warcraft, Starcraft, Gears, Halo, Age of Empires, Minecraft, Crash Bandicoot, Overwatch, etc.

Sony can't really compete with Microsoft or Apple on Cash terms as they both are too big.they will have to innovate really really hard.

Another idea is if Apple acquires Sony which nobody talks about,then then they will just crush Microsoft,Amazon,Google and PlayStation will live another 20-50years.



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faustian.empire said:

Another idea is if Apple acquires Sony which nobody talks about,then then they will just crush Microsoft,Amazon,Google and PlayStation will live another 20-50years.

How does Apple buying Sony crush Microsoft?



twintail said:
faustian.empire said:

Another idea is if Apple acquires Sony which nobody talks about,then then they will just crush Microsoft,Amazon,Google and PlayStation will live another 20-50years.

No body talks about it because it ain't happening. And because the PS brand won't need it. 

well in the world we are moving into where there is more an more consolidation,it can happen.With Microsoft's balance sheet they can buy anything.

Sony will have to do a hell lot of innovation to compete as they don't have the financial muscle of Microsoft



Azzanation said:
faustian.empire said:

Another idea is if Apple acquires Sony which nobody talks about,then then they will just crush Microsoft,Amazon,Google and PlayStation will live another 20-50years.

How does Apple buying Sony crush Microsoft?

Well Microsoft has a lot of Cash but they are bad at managing Studios and Strategy.

Apple Has more cash than Microsoft and Sony is the best as managing studios & strategy,if they both come together then it nullifies Microsoft's Cash advantage.



faustian.empire said:
Azzanation said:

How does Apple buying Sony crush Microsoft?

Well Microsoft has a lot of Cash but they are bad at managing Studios and Strategy.

Apple Has more cash than Microsoft and Sony is the best as managing studios & strategy,if they both come together then it nullifies Microsoft's Cash advantage.

MS has already brought what they need so Apple jumping in would be alittle late. Also Apple and MS are basically equal when in comes to cash reserves. Also Apple would have no interests in Sony, they would only be interested in the PS division.

Also managing studios worse? Thats your opinion. The results lately show otherwise.



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twintail said:
faustian.empire said:

well in the world we are moving into where there is more an more consolidation,it can happen.With Microsoft's balance sheet they can buy anything.

Sony will have to do a hell lot of innovation to compete as they don't have the financial muscle of Microsoft

Sony has already shown they can pull in interesting and beneficial acquisitions. 

Not every deal comes down to purely money. 

MS's acquisitions mean nothing atm, because Sony is still trucking along stronger than they are. 

Sony has not made anywhere near the acquisition that Microsoft has with Bethesda and Actiivsion

Also you are not understanding,whatever lessons Sony learnt after the bad PS3 generation,we are seeing the Fruits of those lessons today with the Blockbusters Sony produces today.

But after the hugely successful PS2 generation,Sony became arrogant an messed up the PS3 generation.

Similarly after the hugely successful PS4 generation,SONY isn't doing the same amount of work today to secure PS5's future and PS6.

Microsoft on the other hand,learnt hard lessons after XBOX One's struggles and is today what SONY did after PS3 generation



Azzanation said:
faustian.empire said:

Well Microsoft has a lot of Cash but they are bad at managing Studios and Strategy.

Apple Has more cash than Microsoft and Sony is the best as managing studios & strategy,if they both come together then it nullifies Microsoft's Cash advantage.

MS has already brought what they need so Apple jumping in would be alittle late. Also Apple and MS are basically equal when in comes to cash reserves. Also Apple would have no interests in Sony, they would only be interested in the PS division.

Also managing studios worse? Thats your opinion. The results lately show otherwise.

no,Apple acquiring SONY would nullify everything Microsoft has done.

Apple and Microsoft are not equal in cash,Apple paid out some dividends and had some Share Buybacks,that's why Apple's Cash is down.Apple can regain all that advantage by 1 years Profits easily.Apple's Market Cap is also higher than Microsoft.

Yes Apple would be more interested in PlayStation division of SONY but if any Sale happens,it will be SONY as a whole as PS division is the biggest contributor to SONY's profits.And Apple would gain Sony Pictures to bolster Apple TV+ and also Hardware & Camera Expertise.

Its not my opinion Microsoft is bad at managing studios.The results have shown exactly that so its more of a proven historical fact.

Halo once used to be the biggest FPS in gaming far ahead of Call of duty,Battlefield,etc but Microsoft Milked it to death during the X360 era and it struggles to even sell good now.

Gears was a big franchise during X360 era but they ran that too in the ground.

Fable was also used to be successful

they acquired so many studios in the last few years but till now Not a single game has come out that could Challenge the God of War's,the Ghost of Tsushima's, the Horizon's,the Last of Us's,the Spiderman's,etc



the-pi-guy said:
faustian.empire said:

Sony has not made anywhere near the acquisition that Microsoft has with Bethesda and Actiivsion

Also you are not understanding,whatever lessons Sony learnt after the bad PS3 generation,we are seeing the Fruits of those lessons today with the Blockbusters Sony produces today.

But after the hugely successful PS2 generation,Sony became arrogant an messed up the PS3 generation.

Similarly after the hugely successful PS4 generation,SONY isn't doing the same amount of work today to secure PS5's future and PS6.

Microsoft on the other hand,learnt hard lessons after XBOX One's struggles and is today what SONY did after PS3 generation

What? 

Sony has never put in the amount of work they are right now. 

They just spent $3.6 billion on Bungie. Their previous biggest gaming purchase was 1/10th of that. 

They bought 5 studios last year, more than they ever have. They said, they have a lot more coming. Their previous biggest buying spree was 4 studios across 2 years. 

They've been expanding their studios at a record pace. SIE has never been larger. 

They have made far more exclusive deals this generation like Final Fantasy XVI, Forspoken, Deathloop, Ghostwire Tokyo.

They're not spending as much as Microsoft, and they're not growing as quickly. At the same time, they've never needed to. 

Sony is bigger market share wise than Microsoft, Activision, Bethesda combined. 

$3.6Billion for Bungie VS Microsoft buying Bethesda for $7.5billion & Activision for $70billion..

The 5 studios Sony bought except Insomniac were all low key.

Sony isn't competing with itself but Microsoft so its Microsoft's investments that you should compare with not Sony's previous small investments.

Also,Sony now has a bigger market share but the way they are going,they won't in the future if they don't up their game



the-pi-guy said:
faustian.empire said:

$3.6Billion for Bungie VS Microsoft buying Bethesda for $7.5billion & Activision for $70billion..

The 5 studios Sony bought except Insomniac were all low key.

Sony isn't competing with itself but Microsoft so its Microsoft's investments that you should compare with not Sony's previous small investments.

Also,Sony now has a bigger market share but the way they are going,they won't in the future if they don't up their game

>The 5 studios Sony bought except Insomniac were all low key.

So were most of the MS studios acquisitions. Before Activision, the most notable ones were Bethesda Studios, Id software, Zenimax Online and Obsidian. And at the time of those acquisitions, MS didn't have that many studios. 

Insomniac wasn't one of the 5 studios. Bluepoint (who just made Demon's Souls), Housemarque (Returnal), Firesprite (who has 4 development teams), Valkyrie Entertainment (who helped with God of War), Nixxes (mostly a support studio). 

The big distinction with SIE, is that they have a lot of faith in their ability to make new IP. They haven't seen the need to buy a studio that has a lot of IP.  SIE cares more about talent. 

They are also supporting a few talented studios Haven (who is made up of a lot of Ubisoft talent), Deviation Games (made up of Treyarch talent). 

The big reason why MS is spending tens of billions, is largely because they're going after large IPs. Sony is going after talent, because they are confident they can make new large IPs. Last gen they made Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima. They capitalized on The Last of Us, God of War massively last gen.  

>Also,Sony now has a bigger market share but the way they are going,they won't in the future if they don't up their game

They are. It takes time for these kinds of things to happen. Activision took multiple months. Bungie took ~6 or so months to happen. 

Sony is doing fine. 

So were most of the MS studios acquisitions. Before Activision, the most notable ones were Bethesda Studios, Id software, Zenimax Online and Obsidian. And at the time of those acquisitions, MS didn't have that many studios. 

Yes i know studios MS bought before Bethesda and Activision were all low key but i am not not talking about them and not worried about them but Bethesda and Activision is what i'm worried about

Insomniac wasn't one of the 5 studios. Bluepoint (who just made Demon's Souls), Housemarque (Returnal), Firesprite (who has 4 development teams), Valkyrie Entertainment (who helped with God of War), Nixxes (mostly a support studio). 

all low key,only good one was that made demon souls

The big distinction with SIE, is that they have a lot of faith in their ability to make new IP. They haven't seen the need to buy a studio that has a lot of IP.  SIE cares more about talent. 

I know,they have been very successful at creating new IP from ground but it was only possible because of the hard lessons they learnt because of the bad PS3 generation.That ignited the fire to build all these new IP's.

But the fire can only last so long an it seems to be near dwindling.

The big reason why MS is spending tens of billions, is largely because they're going after large IPs. Sony is going after talent, because they are confident they can make new large IPs. Last gen they made Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima. They capitalized on The Last of Us, God of War massively last gen.  

Talent only has so many creative juices.Talent can't forever make new things.It has a limit.

You see so many singers,directors,artists - there first album is BIG,second is Bigger but then it just wanes.

They are. It takes time for these kinds of things to happen. Activision took multiple months. Bungie took ~6 or so months to happen.

Yeah i agree,i know they have something up their sleeve.They aren't going to let Microsoft eat their lunch so easily.

But the answer is not just talented small developers(they are part of the answer but not the whole answer)

I reckon they will do something similar to Microsoft's Activision deal,they will either go for EA or Take Two(Rockstar). Remember 2 years ago there was a rumor that Sony was gonna acquire Rockstar & Take Two.

One of them will happen for sure.

Sony is doing fine. 

Right now yes.I agree completely

But my focus isn't right now but 3-10years down the line.

You seem to be very good at analyzing the present but seem to lack the visionary foresight that is needed to prepare and build the future.



faustian.empire said:
Azzanation said:

MS has already brought what they need so Apple jumping in would be alittle late. Also Apple and MS are basically equal when in comes to cash reserves. Also Apple would have no interests in Sony, they would only be interested in the PS division.

Also managing studios worse? Thats your opinion. The results lately show otherwise.

no,Apple acquiring SONY would nullify everything Microsoft has done.

Apple and Microsoft are not equal in cash,Apple paid out some dividends and had some Share Buybacks,that's why Apple's Cash is down.Apple can regain all that advantage by 1 years Profits easily.Apple's Market Cap is also higher than Microsoft.

Yes Apple would be more interested in PlayStation division of SONY but if any Sale happens,it will be SONY as a whole as PS division is the biggest contributor to SONY's profits.And Apple would gain Sony Pictures to bolster Apple TV+ and also Hardware & Camera Expertise.

Its not my opinion Microsoft is bad at managing studios.The results have shown exactly that so its more of a proven historical fact.

Halo once used to be the biggest FPS in gaming far ahead of Call of duty,Battlefield,etc but Microsoft Milked it to death during the X360 era and it struggles to even sell good now.

Gears was a big franchise during X360 era but they ran that too in the ground.

Fable was also used to be successful

they acquired so many studios in the last few years but till now Not a single game has come out that could Challenge the God of War's,the Ghost of Tsushima's, the Horizon's,the Last of Us's,the Spiderman's,etc

How does Apple buying Sony nullify what MS has done?

It doesn't matter who has more money between MS and Apple because both companies have enough resources to buy whoever they want.

Bad at managing studios is your opinion. All companies have had inhouse issues, even Sony.

Halo's success was also made by MS. Any long series like Halo go through periods of decline. 

Gears is still a very strong franchise and if anything has grown as a series. Also rumored that the Coalition might be making a new IP.

Fable was a one/two hit series. It fell apart after 2. Blame Lionhead.

How are those Sony IPs you mention cannot be matched by Xbox's own? Maybe look up Xbox's games before making those claims. Halo alone is bigger than half the games mentioned in your list.