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curl-6 on 11 August 2021
yo33331 said:
curl-6 said:

Who in this thread was arguing the Switch was on DS's scale though? Why even compare it to DS to begin with? It just comes off as an attempt to downplay as almost every system ever seems low when you put it next to DS.

I edited my post now, you can go check it, added some more thoughts ..

As for this .. no I am not comparing it directly for what you've said. I was just telling that there is a way to sell 500k in the summer and without games, the things you mentions in your original post. That's it. I am not downplaying anything and I am not even touching any other system let alone saying which is successful and which is one. All I am saying is that when you have the power, period without games or new model releasing soon or even summer can't stop you. And fun fact, switch began dropping in spring so the summer is not playing role here, neither is the new model, since it was announced just 2 week ago.

That does not rule out the upcoming new model and summer doldrums from contributing to sales numbers this month and last though. A system's sales are influenced by multiple factors.



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Kakadu18 on 11 August 2021
yo33331 said:
curl-6 said:

Who in this thread was arguing the Switch was on DS's scale though? Why even compare it to DS to begin with? It just comes off as an attempt to downplay as almost every system ever seems low when you put it next to DS.

I edited my post now, you can go check it, added some more thoughts ..

As for this .. no I am not comparing it directly for what you've said. I was just telling that there is a way to sell 500k in the summer and without games, the things you mentions in your original post. That's it. I am not downplaying anything and I am not even touching any other system let alone saying which is successful and which is one. All I am saying is that when you have the power, period without games or new model releasing soon or even summer can't stop you. And fun fact, switch began dropping in spring so the summer is not playing role here, neither is the new model, since it was announced just 2 week ago.

The DS was cheaper than the Switch. That's why it had higher sales potential.

Bold: The OLED model was announced on July 6th. Over a month, not two weeks.



curl-6 on 11 August 2021
yo33331 said:
curl-6 said:

That does not rule out the upcoming new model and summer doldrums from contributing to sales numbers this month and last though. A system's sales are influenced by multiple factors.

Yes, of course. This has some impact for sure, no arguing. But even without the summer and the new model Switch would again be down.

The DS I mentioned for two reasons.

1. The DS wasn't interested is it summer is it winter, were there games or no, were there new model coming or not, it showed that everything is possible, and you can't say something can't make very good because of whatever reason. Because always there is a way.

and 2. The DS did the same numbers in the summer it did in the spring and in the autumn, maybe only different was it's holiday of course.

If I wanted to comparing it I would compare every year and period, not just the summer. But yes, there is no impossible things.

Again though DS is an outlier, not typical of even a successful system, so it does not disprove the effect of slow times of the year or periods without big releases. PS4 for example in its 5th summer was lower than Switch is now.



curl-6 on 11 August 2021
yo33331 said:
curl-6 said:

Again though DS is an outlier, not typical of even a successful system, so it does not disprove the effect of slow times of the year or periods without big releases. PS4 for example in its 5th summer was lower than Switch is now.

It's pointless to compare whatever PS console with nintendo's console peak period. As I already said, typically Nintendo consoles have shorter lives but stronger peak periods than Playstation consoles. PS console can't reach the peak numbers of a nintendo consoles. Also can't reach the holiday numbers of it too.

However PS consoles sells or longer and in the long run have more years of good sales than nintendo consoles. (of course there is exceptions, but I am talking for most of the systems.)

You miss the point though; in summer 2018 nobody was gloating about PS4 being doomed when it was selling near 200k, so you acting like Switch is doomed when its selling closer to 300k is jumping the gun and betrays your bias. Acting like 284k in summer (with a new model announced and no big games recently) is a sign of a system nearing collapse is absurd.

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curl-6 on 11 August 2021
yo33331 said:
curl-6 said:

You miss the point though; in summer 2018 nobody was gloating about PS4 being doomed when it was selling near 200k, so you acting like Switch is doomed when its selling closer to 300k is jumping the gun and betrays your bias. Acting like 284k in summer (with a new model announced and no big games recently) is a sign of a system nearing collapse is absurd.

Because normally Nintendo consoles do fall of a cliffs .. and big, see wii see ds, see other nintendo consoles. As I already said their consoles peak periods are the strongest however after that most of them fell hard. PS consoles are not doing so strong peaks however are not often dropping so hard. PS4 and PS3 did yes. But first they did in their later years, when the successor was on it's way (nintendo consoles often fall after their peak periods and not like sony consoles when the successor is coming out soon) , and secondly they did so because Sony choose to not price cut them. The same Nintendo I think will decide for the switch.

But yes, no one was talking for PS4 will go down from 200k because it's normal for Sony consoles to sell many many years at steady pace, even their peak period is a few millions above their normal sales levels, and not so trough the roof as nintendo consoles are.

As I said Nintendo consoles normally do sprint, and PS consoles do marathon. Nintendo consoles start 1-2 years at good level, then 3-4 year peak period and then go downhill like a rock. PS consoles go steady steady, a little peak in years 4-5-6 and then steady decline.. normally. But with PS4 and PS3 Sony didn't give a chance for those consoles and the price told it's word .. 

The Switch isn't bound to follow the patterns of past Nintendo consoles though, as it's unlike any of them in its hybrid nature. It already has shown a later peak than most of their prior systems, and none of the circumstances that led to Wii's collapse are happening now with the Switch.

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curl-6 on 11 August 2021
yo33331 said:

Well.. DS launched 2004, and peaked from 2007-2009 so year 3 to year 5 so I think it's pretty much the same ..
Then the next year - 2010 began to drop. Therefore next year 2022 is the Switch's turn to drop.

Again though DS isn't typical, it's an outlier. 

I don't think anyone would deny that Switch will be passed it's peak in 2022, which is normal for even a very successful system in its 6th year, but if you're expecting a Wii-like collapse you're probably going to be disappointed.

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eva01beserk on 12 August 2021
Doctor_MG said:
eva01beserk said:

1. Because of the reason I just said. Did you miss it? 

2. Of course they still are. But if you limit your resoning to the last year or 2 you limit your ability to speculate on the future. Look what happened to Intel. AMD slowly beat them in performance while everybody was dismising their gains with ryzen. We are seeing the exact same with rdna. While rdna 2 is still behind ampere you cant say the gap is the same as rdna 1 and the 2000 series. And the comparison would be even worse with the by the 1000 series it was completly one sided. And I'm talking performance here to be clear. 

3. Switch is doing nothing from stoping the amd dominance in consoles. The switch does not get the main games coming on PC and ps and Xbox. It gets its own games with no comparisons and no optimisations on any competition. And all that is being driven 90% by Nintendo themselves and not the vast majority of devs that thrive on the other platforms. And even if the games come they will not be optimised for nvideas current tech they are trying to push like tensor cores rtx and dlss. So it dosent help them in the pc space. 

1. But you said that Nvidia NEEDS Nintendo. Nintendo isn't fond of people trying to strongarm them into anything. That's why their partnership with Sony failed. Nvidia forcing Nintendo to come up with a new product when Nintendo isn't ready would just cause Nintendo to go elsewhere. 

2. You say that AMD is able to make CPU's now that outperform Intel and state the success of the PS4 helped with that, yet you say that selling older architectures (Tegra X1) doesn't push technology enough for it to be worth it. These two statements conflict with each other.

3. Switch is absolutely doing something from stopping the AMD dominance on consoles by being the best selling game console month after month. Also, ultimately, Nintendo is going to design the console they want based on THEIR needs, not Nvidia's. What if Nintendo wants to make another hybrid device? Do you really think that Nvidia is going to be able to match PS5 or XSX power in any capacity? 

I just don't understand why you think only consoles can push a certain technology. AMD was implemented by PS4 and XB1 because of price. The profit AMD has received from that partnership allowed them to R&D better hardware. It isn't because games are being optimized for consoles. Nvidia is probably making killer profit from their partnership with Nintendo. I don't see why they would end that during it's peak. 

I will reply again but please refrain from adding things I never said like you keep doing. 

1. Yes they do. The console market is very important. It's where the focus of game dev happens. Nintendo can do what ever they want and they always have. Its a free market. But nvidea also has a right to seek more benefits from a partnership. They are both free to stop cooperating when every they want.

2. I at no point related the CPU performance gains to the consoles. That point dint even refrence the consoles in any way. I said in the pc space this point in time resembles the point in time where amd beat intel and everybody was doubting. 

3. Again you keep saying that its selling the console. That dosent help game devs or improves tools or any of the sort for the pc side of nvidea. Put it this way. Assasins creed for xbox and PlayStation are developed with consoles first. But whatever they decide to do can be improve in the pc space since it uses the same tools. Any other title after that can call back whatever technique they used. But now lets talk raving ravids. After that game is done whatever they did will die there. Nothing used on an optimised switch game will be transalted to the latest ampere cards. It's developement that dosent help push nvidea cards. And power has nothing to do with it. I dont even know why you bring that up as I never mentioned power when talking tools like dlss or tensor cores. 

And again I never claimed only consoles push anything. I said its a big factor as they are the focuse of developemnt for the majority of devs. And selling a console is not as good as selling a console and spreading your dev tools. 



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curl-6 on 12 August 2021

David Gibson of Astris Advisory, who has a good track record in the industry, reckons the current global semiconductor shortage is affecting Switch supply.

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DitchPlaya on 12 August 2021

People in denial over the cliff.

But PS5 sales are all from scalpers.



AJNShelton on 12 August 2021
yo33331 said:

DS in comparison did show it's potential from the get go

Does "from the get go" mean "after having a smaller model with a price cut 2 years after its initial launch" ?

Cause if you recall correctly (and you must certainly not) on 4 DS models (DS, Lite, XL, DSi) the Lite sold 93 million, almors 2/3 of the DS sales. So I wouldn't say "from the get go".