Global Hardware July 25-31 - PS5 and Xbox Series X|S Sales Climb

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Doctor_MG said:

eva01beserk said:

1. Because of the reason I just said. Did you miss it? 

2. Of course they still are. But if you limit your resoning to the last year or 2 you limit your ability to speculate on the future. Look what happened to Intel. AMD slowly beat them in performance while everybody was dismising their gains with ryzen. We are seeing the exact same with rdna. While rdna 2 is still behind ampere you cant say the gap is the same as rdna 1 and the 2000 series. And the comparison would be even worse with the by the 1000 series it was completly one sided. And I'm talking performance here to be clear. 

3. Switch is doing nothing from stoping the amd dominance in consoles. The switch does not get the main games coming on PC and ps and Xbox. It gets its own games with no comparisons and no optimisations on any competition. And all that is being driven 90% by Nintendo themselves and not the vast majority of devs that thrive on the other platforms. And even if the games come they will not be optimised for nvideas current tech they are trying to push like tensor cores rtx and dlss. So it dosent help them in the pc space. 

1. But you said that Nvidia NEEDS Nintendo. Nintendo isn't fond of people trying to strongarm them into anything. That's why their partnership with Sony failed. Nvidia forcing Nintendo to come up with a new product when Nintendo isn't ready would just cause Nintendo to go elsewhere. 

2. You say that AMD is able to make CPU's now that outperform Intel and state the success of the PS4 helped with that, yet you say that selling older architectures (Tegra X1) doesn't push technology enough for it to be worth it. These two statements conflict with each other.

3. Switch is absolutely doing something from stopping the AMD dominance on consoles by being the best selling game console month after month. Also, ultimately, Nintendo is going to design the console they want based on THEIR needs, not Nvidia's. What if Nintendo wants to make another hybrid device? Do you really think that Nvidia is going to be able to match PS5 or XSX power in any capacity? 

I just don't understand why you think only consoles can push a certain technology. AMD was implemented by PS4 and XB1 because of price. The profit AMD has received from that partnership allowed them to R&D better hardware. It isn't because games are being optimized for consoles. Nvidia is probably making killer profit from their partnership with Nintendo. I don't see why they would end that during it's peak. 

I will reply again but please refrain from adding things I never said like you keep doing. 

1. Yes they do. The console market is very important. It's where the focus of game dev happens. Nintendo can do what ever they want and they always have. Its a free market. But nvidea also has a right to seek more benefits from a partnership. They are both free to stop cooperating when every they want.

2. I at no point related the CPU performance gains to the consoles. That point dint even refrence the consoles in any way. I said in the pc space this point in time resembles the point in time where amd beat intel and everybody was doubting. 

3. Again you keep saying that its selling the console. That dosent help game devs or improves tools or any of the sort for the pc side of nvidea. Put it this way. Assasins creed for xbox and PlayStation are developed with consoles first. But whatever they decide to do can be improve in the pc space since it uses the same tools. Any other title after that can call back whatever technique they used. But now lets talk raving ravids. After that game is done whatever they did will die there. Nothing used on an optimised switch game will be transalted to the latest ampere cards. It's developement that dosent help push nvidea cards. And power has nothing to do with it. I dont even know why you bring that up as I never mentioned power when talking tools like dlss or tensor cores. 

And again I never claimed only consoles push anything. I said its a big factor as they are the focuse of developemnt for the majority of devs. And selling a console is not as good as selling a console and spreading your dev tools.