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Xbox will catch up to playstation this generation

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padib said:

Few of you know that I had already predicted that the hybrid Nintendo console would dominate gen 9. I did this years ago (in 2014) because I understand the video game market and was able to predict years in advance the factors that would make that a reality. The main reason was a unified library between Nintendo's home and portable console, which prior to the hybrid were fragmented, and fragmented their release schedule, making it much stronger once unified.

Like TBone, I like to make controversion predictions because, like history has shown us, when most people take for granted by looking at popularity, they are often wrong by using the popularity factor alone. Much more important real factors make the success of a console, and now with Xbox we have an upcoming winner. Let me explain.

The xbox gamepass looks like just any other game delivery service, but in reality it is a very special one. Xbox gamepass is very aggressive.

On day 1, xbox owners get to play the very best offerings because Microsoft is putting their 1st party games on gamepass at launch. Not only that, but they are hard at work with partners, making sure they do the very same thing. Let's compare some alternatives. Stadia for example was a ruin from the start. Google offers users a membership, but users still have to pay full price for games during their membership. Apple offers Apple arcade, but the games are not what most gamers expect, many being small indie app-like games that are not strong in front of the main industry games. Playstation offers Playstation now, however the main games are not there on launch and the service is streamed.

With Xbox gamepass, gamers can download top games directly to their xbox and play them as if they own the game. And even games they might not buy, they can play due to their subscription, like icing on a cake.

This makes gamepass a very enticing service for people who want to play games without committing to high prices for a full game purchase, while giving others the option to do so if they want to. Someone unsure of what console to choose can easily purchase an xbox with a gamepass subscription and get playing immediately.

As people become more and more aware of this purchasing option, I predict the following:

  • Microsoft will gain a lot of ground in the US, probably beating the playstation by a two to one ratio in console sales over the course of the generation.
  • Sony will continue to keep a hold on Europe as gamers are very loyal to the brand there and Sony's marketing is very strong there. Over the course of the generation, Microsoft will get strong in the UK but continue to struggle in Spain, Italy, France and other mediterranean countries that are dominated by Sony.
  • In Japan, Nintendo will continue to dominate leaving little room for the other two, esp. Sony, to get an advantage there.
  • While gamepass will be popular on PC, Xbox will be the place to play since the console is a lot cheaper than a gaming PC, and thus much more accessible to the mainstream.

Therefore, my prediction is that while Sony will be very strong this gen with 1st party software, with a similar strength to the PS4, Xbox will catch up to Sony within the first 3 years of the lifespan of the gen. This will surprise a lot of people because most underestimate the importance of gamepass and its upcoming impact.

The sales for both consoles will be very strong, stronger than the PS3 era. Both consoles will finish at around 100M units each.

If i may ask how die the switch" dominate" over for example the ps4. When ps4 has 116mill units sold,selling a shitton more software...then the switch even at its current state(and lets be honest,the ps4 gen is over)

Will Switch eventually outsell ps4? Yea prob, but thats of no impact since the gen is over.

Just curious,thats all.



 

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Pemalite said:
javi741 said:

I know I'm late to this but whatever.

The only possible way that Xbox could come even close to the PS5 in sales is if Sony literally screws up in almost every way kind of like the PS3.

The disaster of the PS3 is giving people the false notion that the console wars between Xbox & Playstation is close when it isn't. Really it's only close in North America & the U.K, but outside of that Playstation always will dominate Xbox globally.

Despite the PS3 launching at essentially 800$ in 2021 USD, worse online, inferior multiplats, and Xbox having great first-party exclusives, better mulitplats, online, having a year headstart on the PS3 and the Kinect being a huge selling point. The PS3 was still able to outsell the 360 Globally and for the most part, the PS3 was always selling faster than the 360 when they competed head to head. Sony today is too smart to allow another PS3 disaster to happen again. Not even the 360 was able to outsell the PS3 with a 2-1 ratio despite the PS3 looking like the far inferior console to most Americans. How could the Series X possibly do it with no major advantages over the PS5.

People seem to forget that the Xbox 360 had it's own mishaps that held it back and damaged the brand as well.

Aka. RROD.

Sony wasn't the only company to drop the ball, they just dropped more balls and more often.

Going to put this down mainly due pricing. It sorta mirrors what happened in the 2 gens prior with the origional PlayStation and Sega Saturn. One launched significantly cheaper than the other while offering new and fresh games and exclusives. And we had a similar situation last gen whereas MS drop the ball with the prelaunch of the Xbox One MS with them trying to market DRM and flog the whole TV/Cable/motion thing on us and at a higher price point.

Think both parties have learned not to dip into the $599 range for consoles or price $100 or more from the competition. Xbox should sell more this generation than the last though I can't see it ever 'catching up' never mind surpassing PS in global sales.



Runa216 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

I stand by what I said months ago that there’s no way the X|S beats PS5, but after almost a year of owning a Series X, I couldn’t be happier about choosing it over a PS5. And mainly because of what you outlined in your original post, the value. It starts with the hardware. For the same price I get a more powerful system. But then there’s the controllers. I can play co-op SX games right now using all of my six or seven Xbone controllers alongside my SX controller. If I wanted to play Overcooked on PS5, I’d need to either install the PS4 version and use that one to use my DS4 controllers, or buy multiple $70 DualSense controllers. Yuck.

You were also right about GamePass, it’s been insane value already this gen and will only get more insane once all these studios start dropping games. But just in the last half of 2021 there will be/have been Flight Sim, Hades, Psychonauts 2, Halo, FH5, Back 4 Blood, 12 Minutes, AoE4, State of Decay Homecoming, etc etc.

I think it all hinges on GamePass for them. They can really make up some ground if GamePass takes off. When Nintendo charges $60 for games that never go down in price and Sony charges $70 for games, the value is just too good.

I dunno, man, GamePass has been out for more than four years, and while everyone seems to agree it's a good service...it hasn't had much of an impact on console sales. No more than PSNow (which is a similar but less-known service). 

The power differential between the consoles is negligible, and how can anyone say the XSX's controller is better? I dunno, man, I still don't see it and PS5 is still regularly selling almost 2x what Xbox is on a week to week basis. A similar ratio to last generation. 

I think the only thing Xbox can do is release some games. so far, we're nearing the 1 year anniversary of these consoles and Xbox still only has two exclusives. a Gears tactics game and Death's Door. Halo doesn't come out until December, and I don't personally know of any games that are coming out between them. On the flip side, Sony has countless exclusives - some cross generational, some Gen 8 remasters/rereleases, some indies, some on PC, some that are pure exclusive - and I think gamers worldwide know this. 

As far as I can tell, this generation's competition doesn't start until Halo comes out, and hopefully with every few months when something like Forza Horizon 5, Avowed, Everwild, Perfect Dark, Elder Scrolls VI, Starfield, etc comes out. They've got a lot in the pipeline and damn near unlimited potential, but this generational battle really doesn't start until they start releasing games that can't be bought on the competition. 

GamePass is constantly evolving and getting better, the place it was in four years ago is completely different than now. It’s not all that similar to Now either, because it offers bigger games and offers them day one at times, too. It’s also offering DLCs now. It’s not going to have a huge effect on sales until it reaches a wider audience, which MS is working on with xCloud and the GamePass smart device. 

Idk if the DualSense is better or not, it’s too early, but I was speaking entirely on the value perspective. It’s not even close imho. Also if you say you’re counting cross gen and PC and indies etc on PS5 then Xbox has more than two exclusives lol. I agree about the games though, like I said, once all these studios start dropping games it’s going to make GamePass even more insane than it already is.



LudicrousSpeed said:

GamePass is constantly evolving and getting better, the place it was in four years ago is completely different than now. It’s not all that similar to Now either, because it offers bigger games and offers them day one at times, too. It’s also offering DLCs now. It’s not going to have a huge effect on sales until it reaches a wider audience, which MS is working on with xCloud and the GamePass smart device. 

Idk if the DualSense is better or not, it’s too early, but I was speaking entirely on the value perspective. It’s not even close imho. Also if you say you’re counting cross gen and PC and indies etc on PS5 then Xbox has more than two exclusives lol. I agree about the games though, like I said, once all these studios start dropping games it’s going to make GamePass even more insane than it already is.

Yes, GamePass is getting better all the time. this is true. Yet so is PSNow. Oh, and the weekly sales gap between the two has stayed pretty consistent ever since the launch of the new consoles. 

This is exactly the reason I've always been so critical of Microsoft and the arguments people use to support them. All of the arguments make sense on paper, but there are no tangible results. "Oh, they have so many games in the works! Microsoft owns 23 studios!" yeah? Well then why do we not see a lot of new games coming out for the systems? Why are we nearly a year into the XSX's life and there's nothing on that system you can't get on PS consoles or Nintendo consoles or PC aside from 2 games? (You say there's more, but I couldn't find any. and so you know I keep my count to only games with 75 or higher metacritic; shit like Destruction All-Stars isn't helping PS with its 62 so neither is State of Decay 2 with its whatever it was, I think 67).

"GamePass is going to be a game changer!" people say. Well....then why hasn't it changed the game? aside from getting more, newer games on the system, where does it have to grow? People have been saying this for 4 years, and while it seems to be the only real argument people make for XSX anymore, it's still not enough to compete. Some people care, of course. But then you look at Nintendo and Sony's offerings and both of those are selling far better, far more consistently, and have many more games you can't play on the competition. Look at games like Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart and Animal Crossing and God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn and The Last of Us Part 2...all games exclusive to their respective brand, sold remarkably well, and got great reviews. When was the last time Xbox had that? 

It's nice to have hope, I'll never denounce that reality. buying new consoles, no matter the company it comes from, is always a long-term investment. nobody buys a PS5 because they just HAVE to have Bugsnax or even Returnal. The thing is, until we actually start seeing some of these promises on Microsoft's end come true, there's literally nothing anyone can say that will make it seem like Xbox is ever going to return to the same heights of the 360's glory days. Without any of their promises coming true, or any of their predictions being made into reality, it's just hopeful thoughts and wishes. Until the industry is actually changed, we can't assume GamePass is going to change the industry. it's had four years to do so, and while it's moved the needle a notch or two, it has not tipped the scales like Microsoft and its many fans have been saying since its inception. 

Your perception is not the same as the reality we live in. What you say is happening is not happening. what you think is going to happen isn't likely to happen unless some drastic changes occur, first. 

Plus you seem to think there's ANY parity between the Dualsense and the Xbox Series X's controller. I thought that was as foregone a conclusion as one could possibly imagine (That the Dualsense is superior in literally every way except price, which even then isn't enough of a disparity to disregard the leap between them in terms of features and quality) 



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PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

You either aren't reading the posts or aren't understanding them, because you're arguing things I either didn't say or outright said the opposite.

Runa216 said:

Yes, GamePass is getting better all the time. this is true. Yet so is PSNow. Oh, and the weekly sales gap between the two has stayed pretty consistent ever since the launch of the new consoles. 

Yes, two services can get better at the same time. Both Now and GamePass offer digital games and cloud streaming. Sony even has a cloud deal with MS now. But that's where the similarities end. You say Now hasn't had an impact on console sales, it's not supposed to. It isn't meant to be as appealing as GamePass is. Sony doesn't strike deals to put big third party titles in there day one. Sony doesn't put their own games in there until long after release. Does PS Now even have PS5 games? I am genuinely curious. I know earlier this year it was a situation where even if a PS5 version of a game exists and you download the PS4 version on Now, it is strictly the PS4 version.

Runa216 said:

This is exactly the reason I've always been so critical of Microsoft and the arguments people use to support them. All of the arguments make sense on paper, but there are no tangible results. "Oh, they have so many games in the works! Microsoft owns 23 studios!" yeah? Well then why do we not see a lot of new games coming out for the systems? Why are we nearly a year into the XSX's life and there's nothing on that system you can't get on PS consoles or Nintendo consoles or PC aside from 2 games? (You say there's more, but I couldn't find any. and so you know I keep my count to only games with 75 or higher metacritic; shit like Destruction All-Stars isn't helping PS with its 62 so neither is State of Decay 2 with its whatever it was, I think 67).

Because games take years to make and we're in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. Exactly what has come out on PS5 that you can't play on Nintendo or Xbox or PC or PS4 or PS3? Returnal and Ratchet and Destruction All-Stars? Woah. I don't care for your criteria, to each their own. I don't include remakes, so no Demon's Soul. Objectivity is fun. I said there are more than two games if you do include PC, as you were doing for PS5.

I could list all the games they are working on but who cares, ignorance is not an excuse for you.

Runa216 said:

"GamePass is going to be a game changer!" people say. Well....then why hasn't it changed the game? aside from getting more, newer games on the system, where does it have to grow? People have been saying this for 4 years, and while it seems to be the only real argument people make for XSX anymore, it's still not enough to compete. Some people care, of course. But then you look at Nintendo and Sony's offerings and both of those are selling far better, far more consistently, and have many more games you can't play on the competition. Look at games like Breath of the Wild and Mario Kart and Animal Crossing and God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn and The Last of Us Part 2...all games exclusive to their respective brand, sold remarkably well, and got great reviews. When was the last time Xbox had that? 

It's only been a few years and they haven't even extended it beyond console and PC yet, outside of beta form in browsers and mobile apps. They're still going to have an app, a smart device of their own, bringing xCloud to Xbox One so you don't even need next gen hardware, etc etc. You're all caught up in sales and gaps, when most of us talk about the impact GamePass can have, it's not even going to be entirely reflected in sales. That's the road MS has been taking. The fact that you'd ask for Xbox exclusives that aren't on PC just shows how out of touch you are here.

Runa216 said:

It's nice to have hope, I'll never denounce that reality. buying new consoles, no matter the company it comes from, is always a long-term investment. nobody buys a PS5 because they just HAVE to have Bugsnax or even Returnal. The thing is, until we actually start seeing some of these promises on Microsoft's end come true, there's literally nothing anyone can say that will make it seem like Xbox is ever going to return to the same heights of the 360's glory days. Without any of their promises coming true, or any of their predictions being made into reality, it's just hopeful thoughts and wishes. Until the industry is actually changed, we can't assume GamePass is going to change the industry. it's had four years to do so, and while it's moved the needle a notch or two, it has not tipped the scales like Microsoft and its many fans have been saying since its inception. 

Your perception is not the same as the reality we live in. What you say is happening is not happening. what you think is going to happen isn't likely to happen unless some drastic changes occur, first. 

I don't think you really even know what my perception is, and yours certainly isn't based on reality. I already said before that Xbox won't beat PS in sales. And as for GamePass changing the industry, you're way early on that. Because, again, as I already said, we haven't even seen the onslaught of games yet that we know is coming. We haven't seen an "Xbox smart stick" or whatever they are calling it. Hell we haven't even seen what these next gen consoles can sell when they aren't heavily supply constrained in a pandemic.

Also you'll notice I began my previous post saying that I am happy I went SX to start the gen. So yes, it has tipped the scales for me. What I say is happening, is happening, for me. I haven't said this would become the norm and Xbox would shoot past PS or something.

Runa216 said:

Plus you seem to think there's ANY parity between the Dualsense and the Xbox Series X's controller. I thought that was as foregone a conclusion as one could possibly imagine (That the Dualsense is superior in literally every way except price, which even then isn't enough of a disparity to disregard the leap between them in terms of features and quality) 

Which part of that confused you? Again, talking about value. What sounds better, paying $70-75 a piece for three new controllers for a couch co-op game that doesn't even use the functionality in any meaningful way or just using your existing controllers? Again, just value, idc for your opinion on the quality of either controller. What is difficult about this?

I'm not going to respond to you anymore, so enjoy the last word and keep waiting on that Xbox game that doesn't release on PC.



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LudicrousSpeed said:

Hilarious nonsense unrelated to like 90% of what I said or completely missing the point of what I said all while ironically claiming I didn't actually read their posts or understand what they said...

wow...how profound. 



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PS5, Switch, XSX

PS4, PS3, PS2, PS1, WiiU, Wii, GCN, N64 SNES, XBO, 360

3DS, DS, GBA, Vita, PSP, Android

I could possibly see them catching up in NA. Outside of there, particularly in Europe, they have a very tough battle that I think would take until next generation to start catching up to barring any major PS fuckups



These predictions went well.



Xbox Outselling PlayStation 2:1 in NA?
Xbox Series + PS5 both selling roughly the same?

This is crazy talk.

Currently 3.6m for Xbox and 4.4m for PS5 in NA. Xbox certainly has a chance at overtaking there but its not going to be remotely close to something like 30m for ps5 and 60m for Xbox by the end.

USA will be close, Xbox might take a victory here by up to 30% not 100%.

Europe will be dominated by PlayStation. Globally PlayStation wins by a not insignificant margin.

Last edited by Zippy6 - on 29 August 2021