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sales2099 said:
sundin13 said:

It does leave room for apology. You literally just referenced this when talking about Kevin Hart. He was "cancelled", made an apology and now he is just as rich and famous as ever. This also makes it ridiculous that you are imply that "cancelling" destroys people's careers. Look at Kevin Hart, Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, Ellen, Chris Pratt. All of them were "cancelled" but they are still rich and famous and have "in tact" careers. 

This implication that "cancelling" deletes someone from existence is pure nonsense and simply repeating it over and over again doesn't make it true.

Also, the phrase "cancel culture" is not exclusive to entertainment. If you want to assert that, back it up with literally anything: 

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cancel-culture

Like I said, left on left gives room to make it better because they the same ideology. Provides some leeway, Conservatives get the Gina Carano treatment. 

"The Gina Carano treatment" of being a C-List actor losing one position and then immediately cashing out in the Conservative grift circuit. 

It is telling how many asterisks your supposedly swift, decisive and unyielding "cancel culture" has next to it. It is almost like you are making things up on the spot...



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sundin13 said:
sales2099 said:

Like I said, left on left gives room to make it better because they the same ideology. Provides some leeway, Conservatives get the Gina Carano treatment. 

"The Gina Carano treatment" of being a C-List actor losing one position and then immediately cashing out in the Conservative grift circuit. 

It is telling how many asterisks your supposedly swift, decisive and unyielding "cancel culture" has next to it. It is almost like you are making things up on the spot...

If she feels that’s her only recourse then I can only hope she turns out ok going forward. Please refer back to my comparison between Pedro and Gina regarding each one doing a Holocaust comparison. 



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Torillian said:
sales2099 said:

Thats a boycott. Because people likeminded as yourself only represent a certain percentage of the viewership. Many will still like the character, the actress, or simply not know/care what she says in her personal social media. Gina could also apologize, “bend the knee” and over time can appease some people like yourself if she says and does enough good to compensate for whatever wrong she may have done. Her career can remain in tact if she plays it right. 

Cancelling makes the choice for everybody involved regardless where they stand. It’s swift with no window, no chance to make it right. This is exactly what happened with Gina. It took literally hours for execs to make their decision. Please understand. 

Seems like these are the same actions, it's just that "cancelling" can actually have an effect while "boycotting" never works for shit. 

Basically, which is my problem with the people decrying cancel culture.

It's essentially saying that everyone is entitled to express their opinion, but when enough people share an opinion that can actually pressure a company to change what they're doing, then that's an evil thing called cancel culture.

It's fine for people to think it's ridiculous for Gina to be fired. There's a lot of idiotic examples of people bitching about it. Honestly, I don't even think she should have been fired. 

But if you think that, just say "I think these people have an idiotic position", that's fine. The problem is when people act as though people are doing something immoral or evil and destroying the fabric of America by voicing their opinion. 

It comes down to, "you can't criticize what Gina is saying... because of free speech"! Which is a baffling bit of mental gymnastics. Freedom of speech means freedom to say someone should shut the fuck up or that someone should be fired.



JWeinCom said:
Torillian said:

Seems like these are the same actions, it's just that "cancelling" can actually have an effect while "boycotting" never works for shit. 

Basically, which is my problem with the people decrying cancel culture.

It's essentially saying that everyone is entitled to express their opinion, but when enough people share an opinion that can actually pressure a company to change what they're doing, then that's an evil thing called cancel culture.

It's fine for people to think it's ridiculous for Gina to be fired. There's a lot of idiotic examples of people bitching about it. Honestly, I don't even think she should have been fired. 

But if you think that, just say "I think these people have an idiotic position", that's fine. The problem is when people act as though people are doing something immoral or evil and the destroying the fabric of America by voicing their opinion. 

It comes down to, "you can't criticize what Gina is saying... because of free speech"! Which is a baffling bit of mental gymnastics. Freedom of speech means freedom to say someone should shut the fuck up or that someone should be fired.

The broader issue here is that mainstream conservatives feel they can’t even speak their opinions without fear of losing their jobs and reputation. Whatever you choose to believe, it’s not 50/50 treatment, enter the Pedro/Gina Holocaust comparisons. I’m not talking alt-right opinions, but civil discussion and comparison of ideas between mainstream liberal and conservative beliefs.

Silencing speech via in person/online bullying, mob mentality, and threats to have you fired is the exact antithesis of American values. And the irony is completely lost on the very people that believe they are doing the right thing. If one side feels safe to speak their mind while the other is scared to, you got a problem. It actually took me some courage to have this discussion here, despite me being anonymous. Nevermind the real world, that’s the state of the culture imo. 

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sales2099 said:
Torillian said:

I'd think the obvious difference would be that conservatives aren't being held in camps. 

There is no way to legitimize a Holocaust comparison. The extermination of Jews does not, in any way, shape, or form, equate to border politics. It was extremely poor taste and a blatant double standard. If Gina got fired for that, fine, but it should apply to everyone. A reasonable request imo. A legitimate example of how cancel culture works. 

Comparing one fascist administration to another isn't legitimate?



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TallSilhouette said:
sales2099 said:

There is no way to legitimize a Holocaust comparison. The extermination of Jews does not, in any way, shape, or form, equate to border politics. It was extremely poor taste and a blatant double standard. If Gina got fired for that, fine, but it should apply to everyone. A reasonable request imo. A legitimate example of how cancel culture works. 

Comparing one fascist administration to another isn't legitimate?

I repeat. The mass extermination of millions of Jews does. Not. Compare. To how people are treated at the border. That you are trying to legitimize one Holocaust comparison over another is part of the problem. 



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RolStoppable said:
sales2099 said:

Pedro Pascal had a tweet in 2018 comparing Holocaust prisoners to South American children detained at the US border. He received no blowback and proceeded to star in recent entertainment like the Mandalorian and Wonderwoman 2.

If making a Holocaust comparison was the career killer for Gina, then it should have been for Pedro. The obvious difference is the political motivation behind each person. One spectrum simply has more sympathy in Hollywood/pop culture. I just want equal consequences and accountability for both spectrums, I feel that is reasonable to ask. 

Pedro's comparison (the way you tell it) qualifies as exaggeration because what has been done to Latin American children was vile. They weren't killed, but separating them from their parents sure was gruel on its own.

On the other hand, Gina's comparison is laughable because it's entirely missing parallels between the things that were being compared.

You shouldn't expect equal consequences for things that are different to start with.

Neither one should have been made because neither example compared to the slaughter of a race of people. Political ideology behind each comparison was a factor in how each situation was handled. If you disagree then that’s fine. But imo if making any comparison qualifies as poor taste, then both did wrong. Full stop. 



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sales2099 said:
TallSilhouette said:

Comparing one fascist administration to another isn't legitimate?

I repeat. The mass extermination of millions of Jews does. Not. Compare. To how people are treated at the border. That you are trying to legitimize one Holocaust comparison over another is part of the problem. 

Detention centers where immigrants are ripped from their families, raped, tortured, sterilized, and left to die being compared to concentration camps doesn't sound unreasonable to me. That's what I found in Pedro's tweets. Where does he reference mass extermination? Is it never appropriate to make comparisons to Nazis unless both groups are committing open genocide?



sales2099 said:
JWeinCom said:

Basically, which is my problem with the people decrying cancel culture.

It's essentially saying that everyone is entitled to express their opinion, but when enough people share an opinion that can actually pressure a company to change what they're doing, then that's an evil thing called cancel culture.

It's fine for people to think it's ridiculous for Gina to be fired. There's a lot of idiotic examples of people bitching about it. Honestly, I don't even think she should have been fired. 

But if you think that, just say "I think these people have an idiotic position", that's fine. The problem is when people act as though people are doing something immoral or evil and the destroying the fabric of America by voicing their opinion. 

It comes down to, "you can't criticize what Gina is saying... because of free speech"! Which is a baffling bit of mental gymnastics. Freedom of speech means freedom to say someone should shut the fuck up or that someone should be fired.

The broader issue here is that mainstream conservatives feel they can’t even speak their opinions without fear of losing their jobs and reputation. Whatever you choose to believe, it’s not 50/50 treatment, enter the Pedro/Gina Holocaust comparisons. I’m not talking alt-right opinions, but civil discussion and comparison of ideas between mainstream liberal and conservative beliefs.

Silencing speech via in person/online bullying, mob mentality, and threats to have you fired is the exact antithesis of American values. And the irony is completely lost on the very people that believe they are doing the right thing. 

I'm not going to get into whether Gina or Pedro's tweets were more offensive, but they're drastically different. Not all holocaust references are the same. There's a difference between "putting kids in cages is like what they did in the holocaust" and "criticizing my ideas is like the holocaust". Again, not going to argue which is better or worse, but they're different situations, and would get different responses, especially since Gina has tweeted other things as well such as decrying masks during a pandemic, where too my knowledge, Pedro has not. 

You already have shown that you'll change the subject whenever cornered, so I'm not super inclined to continue.

But feel free to give some examples of conservatives who got cancelled for expressing mainstream conservative opinions. Cause "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" and "you shouldn't wear masks during a pandemic" shouldn't qualify. 

This is just the kind of bullshit Gina was doing. Expressing bat shit crazy ideas and then saying "oh it has nothing to do with the ideas being crazy or offensive, it's just cause I was conservative and you're all a bunch of Nazis". 

Defending Gina while simultaneously arguing that the left is vilifying people is... bizarre. Why is it ok for Gina to vilify those who disagree with her?

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sales2099 said:
sundin13 said:

"The Gina Carano treatment" of being a C-List actor losing one position and then immediately cashing out in the Conservative grift circuit. 

It is telling how many asterisks your supposedly swift, decisive and unyielding "cancel culture" has next to it. It is almost like you are making things up on the spot...

If she feels that’s her only recourse then I can only hope she turns out ok going forward. Please refer back to my comparison between Pedro and Gina regarding each one doing a Holocaust comparison. 

It was a bad comparison.

My point is that she wasn't "cancelled", she lost one position, gained a lot of attention and immediately moved on to another project. I have little doubt that she would have been able to get non grift-centric projects if she wanted. You are really going to have to present better evidence than something that happened a few days ago to prove that it is physically impossible for conservatives to recover from cancelling.