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Dulfite said:
kirby007 said:

xbox is dead

I was going to post a lengthy response explaining that profits is all that matters and that Xbox division makes a lot more of that from PC Gamepass users than it would by forcing hardware sales of console by not having a Gamepass, but then I realized your Kirby and I am assuming you are just trolling?

It was going to be a great hypothetical debate, too!

Nothing hypothetical about it.  Raw sales are meaningless, profit margins matter.  I've said this about Nintendo for a long time.  Something like Animal Crossing is far cheaper to develop than Last of Us 2.  Even if they sell the same, Nintendo made far more money.



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kirby007 said:
Dulfite said:

I was going to post a lengthy response explaining that profits is all that matters and that Xbox division makes a lot more of that from PC Gamepass users than it would by forcing hardware sales of console by not having a Gamepass, but then I realized your Kirby and I am assuming you are just trolling?

It was going to be a great hypothetical debate, too!

they released the best console in about 2 decades and its still selling like its horrible predecessor PRwise, dunno where you see this going but less than 30 million wouldn't suprise me

Ah so we are getting serious then? 

It's selling bad because, in part, a lot of people are going the pc gaming route due to Gamepass, therefore not purchasing Xboxes. This saves MS money by them not having to make and sell more xbox console for a loss and instead have gamers paying for and playing their games on PCs. Who cares that Xbox console sales are bad when they are becoming more popular and making more money because of it? The console sales are only bad because games are available on PC now. If Gamepass PC wasn't around then Xbox hardware sales would be higher but their profits would be flushed down the toilet.

The simple reality is the more gamers game on PC the more money MS makes and the less money MS loses on console hardware.



RolStoppable said:

Business as usual.

Are we in a Teams meeting ?



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Dulfite said:
kirby007 said:

they released the best console in about 2 decades and its still selling like its horrible predecessor PRwise, dunno where you see this going but less than 30 million wouldn't suprise me

Ah so we are getting serious then? 

It's selling bad because, in part, a lot of people are going the pc gaming route due to Gamepass, therefore not purchasing Xboxes. This saves MS money by them not having to make and sell more xbox console for a loss and instead have gamers paying for and playing their games on PCs. Who cares that Xbox console sales are bad when they are becoming more popular and making more money because of it? The console sales are only bad because games are available on PC now. If Gamepass PC wasn't around then Xbox hardware sales would be higher but their profits would be flushed down the toilet.

The simple reality is the more gamers game on PC the more money MS makes and the less money MS loses on console hardware.

Yeah but Game Pass isn't profitable for now. Neither is the Xbox division.



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SKMBlake said:
Dulfite said:

Ah so we are getting serious then? 

It's selling bad because, in part, a lot of people are going the pc gaming route due to Gamepass, therefore not purchasing Xboxes. This saves MS money by them not having to make and sell more xbox console for a loss and instead have gamers paying for and playing their games on PCs. Who cares that Xbox console sales are bad when they are becoming more popular and making more money because of it? The console sales are only bad because games are available on PC now. If Gamepass PC wasn't around then Xbox hardware sales would be higher but their profits would be flushed down the toilet.

The simple reality is the more gamers game on PC the more money MS makes and the less money MS loses on console hardware.

Yeah but Game Pass isn't profitable for now. Neither is the Xbox division.

All about the indirect profits. If having 18 million gamepass users means a certain % of them also bought new PC's (such as me, I bought a Razerblade 15 Advanced instead of a Series X, which is much more expensive), then they are making a lot more money. If those PC users got subscription to things like Office 365 (which I did), then they make even more money. When people go the PC gamepass route, there is a lot of indirect money made to MS for Windows licenses and other services that people don't think about.



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Dulfite said:
SKMBlake said:

Yeah but Game Pass isn't profitable for now. Neither is the Xbox division.

All about the indirect profits. If having 18 million gamepass users means a certain % of them also bought new PC's (such as me, I bought a Razerblade 15 Advanced instead of a Series X, which is much more expensive), then they are making a lot more money. If those PC users got subscription to things like Office 365 (which I did), then they make even more money. When people go the PC gamepass route, there is a lot of indirect money made to MS for Windows licenses and other services that people don't think about.

Well, yes, MS is the biggest company in the planet, and make huge amounts of profits on all their softwares, Surface stuff, business oriented stuff (most of their profits comes from business related sotfwares and solutions actually). But my point was about Game Pass and the Xbox division.



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SKMBlake said:
Dulfite said:

All about the indirect profits. If having 18 million gamepass users means a certain % of them also bought new PC's (such as me, I bought a Razerblade 15 Advanced instead of a Series X, which is much more expensive), then they are making a lot more money. If those PC users got subscription to things like Office 365 (which I did), then they make even more money. When people go the PC gamepass route, there is a lot of indirect money made to MS for Windows licenses and other services that people don't think about.

Well, yes, MS is the biggest company in the planet, and make huge amounts of profits on all their softwares, Surface stuff, business oriented stuff (most of their profits comes from business related sotfwares and solutions actually). But my point was about Game Pass and the Xbox division.

And my point is that Gamepass is increasing revenues in their non-gaming divisions. You can't just judge Gamepass by the $ it makes directly, but also indirectly. There are more, potentially millions more, people on Office 365 or using Windows license BECAUSE of gamepass PC than there would be if gamepass PC didn't exist.



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