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sales2099 said:
DonFerrari said:

Of course it is a good thing to list sales even if the game is on GP. Even more when we have people come to VGC to say GP actually increases sales of the SW instead of making it sell less.

Would have zero issue with they saying "We sold 3M of this game and had another 5M playing it on GP that right now have 10M subs". You just don't want MS posting low numbers, and MS have stopped giving sales numbers for HW and SW much earlier than GP ever being a thing so that excuse doesn't hold water.

It does set one up for failure. Like if you list it for one you have to list it for all. And not all games will be a sales success but might be still popular on Game Pass. It’s free ammo for console wars. The system in place now is fine. Both Sony and MS announce milestones as they see fit and that’s fine with me. 

Sony announced milestones for several games, but not for all. Nintendo also only keep updating their top seller. So nope, you aren't obligated to give info of all, but sure people can assume that the ones they don't aren't doing great. Thing is, currently the lack of information on sale of HW and SW at all is really an indicative of exactly that, even more when they stopping to talk about sales entirely started after the lackluster sales of X1 after the first year reaching near 10M shipped and the "only holiday sales mater".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Could you please link to this data?

You could just enter their financial statements. The final shipment number in VGC for PS3 was even adjusted by sony announcement.

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/13q4_sonypre.pdf

That is one example, from what I remember almost every year Sony gave total HW sales.

https://www.engadget.com/2013-11-06-playstation-3-up-to-80-million-consoles-shipped-worldwide.html#:~:text=PlayStation%203%20up%20to%2080%20million%20consoles%20shipped%20worldwide%20%7C%20Engadget

Guess you could have done your research before your claim instead of asking for another one to give the sources that disprove yours.

This doesn't report PS3 sales, because it lumps PS3 and PS4 together.  It also lumps PSP and Vita together.  They have to lump sales together in order to mask how poorly the PS3 and Vita are doing.

They report the numbers like this:
Computer Entertainment System (PS2/PS3/PS4)  14.6m
Portable Entertainment System (PS Vita TV/PS Vita/PSP) 4.1m



This is how Sony used to report shipments  up until FY2010.  Notice how it is all broken down by platform.  Shortly after this they stopped breaking it down by platform and started lumping platforms together.
https://web.archive.org/web/20121024170505/http://scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 06 January 2021

Mar1217 said:

Why are people aversed to learn more about sales and interesting statistics related to on a site that's based on this very principle is beyond me.

Agreed.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
DonFerrari said:

You could just enter their financial statements. The final shipment number in VGC for PS3 was even adjusted by sony announcement.

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/13q4_sonypre.pdf

That is one example, from what I remember almost every year Sony gave total HW sales.

https://www.engadget.com/2013-11-06-playstation-3-up-to-80-million-consoles-shipped-worldwide.html#:~:text=PlayStation%203%20up%20to%2080%20million%20consoles%20shipped%20worldwide%20%7C%20Engadget

Guess you could have done your research before your claim instead of asking for another one to give the sources that disprove yours.

This doesn't report PS3 sales, because it lumps PS3 and PS4 together.  It also lumps PSP and Vita together.  They have to lump sales together in order to mask how poorly the PS3 and Vita are doing.

They report the numbers like this:
Computer Entertainment System (PS2/PS3/PS4)  14.6m
Portable Entertainment System (PS Vita TV/PS Vita/PSP) 4.1m

I'm curious, have Nintendo done the same during Wii U/3DS era? 



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
DonFerrari said:

You could just enter their financial statements. The final shipment number in VGC for PS3 was even adjusted by sony announcement.

https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/13q4_sonypre.pdf

That is one example, from what I remember almost every year Sony gave total HW sales.

https://www.engadget.com/2013-11-06-playstation-3-up-to-80-million-consoles-shipped-worldwide.html#:~:text=PlayStation%203%20up%20to%2080%20million%20consoles%20shipped%20worldwide%20%7C%20Engadget

Guess you could have done your research before your claim instead of asking for another one to give the sources that disprove yours.

This doesn't report PS3 sales, because it lumps PS3 and PS4 together.  It also lumps PSP and Vita together.  They have to lump sales together in order to mask how poorly the PS3 and Vita are doing.

They report the numbers like this:
Computer Entertainment System (PS2/PS3/PS4)  14.6m
Portable Entertainment System (PS Vita TV/PS Vita/PSP) 4.1m

Have you seem they also showed 2012 (hint there was no PS4 at that time), have you seem their PR for a total 80M shipped? You can dig and find more if you want.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
sales2099 said:

It does set one up for failure. Like if you list it for one you have to list it for all. And not all games will be a sales success but might be still popular on Game Pass. It’s free ammo for console wars. The system in place now is fine. Both Sony and MS announce milestones as they see fit and that’s fine with me. 

Sony announced milestones for several games, but not for all. Nintendo also only keep updating their top seller. So nope, you aren't obligated to give info of all, but sure people can assume that the ones they don't aren't doing great. Thing is, currently the lack of information on sale of HW and SW at all is really an indicative of exactly that, even more when they stopping to talk about sales entirely started after the lackluster sales of X1 after the first year reaching near 10M shipped and the "only holiday sales mater".

I can see that but there’s also an element of mystery. Not saying stats on anything doesn’t mean everything is doing bad. No ammo for console wars and they focus on their changed agenda: total players due to Game Pass pushing. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

IcaroRibeiro said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

This doesn't report PS3 sales, because it lumps PS3 and PS4 together.  It also lumps PSP and Vita together.  They have to lump sales together in order to mask how poorly the PS3 and Vita are doing.

They report the numbers like this:
Computer Entertainment System (PS2/PS3/PS4)  14.6m
Portable Entertainment System (PS Vita TV/PS Vita/PSP) 4.1m

I'm curious, have Nintendo done the same during Wii U/3DS era? 

Nintendo is very transparent with their data.  Here is the report for the FY ending March 2013 (last page).  None of the sales figures are terribly flattering, but it's all there.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130424e.pdf

There is no guessing when it comes to Nintendo data.  They have their total system sales on one page with a nice graphic for each system.  They put the Wii U and DS all on the same page.  I know exactly how much each system shipped.  With Sony I have to guess on some systems.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 06 January 2021

The_Liquid_Laser said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I'm curious, have Nintendo done the same during Wii U/3DS era? 

Nintendo is very transparent with their data.  Here is the report for the FY ending March 2013 (last page).  None of the sales figures are terribly flattering, but it's all there.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2013/130424e.pdf

There is no guessing when it comes to Nintendo data.  They have their total system sales on one page with a nice graphic for each system.  They put the Wii U and DS all on the same page.  I know exactly how much each system shipped.  With Sony I have to guess on some systems.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/

Yeah... Sony go bad and data is a mess.

Nintendo go bad and have the same data. 



One can logically assume why MS doesn’t, both to hide lower hardware sales, and software wise why would they when they are pushing GamePass?

Sony, idk. They also have hidden hardware sales in the past when they were struggling, but idk why they don’t provide regular updates now. Especially software.