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Azzanation said:
PotentHerbs said:

That only applies to MS. Sony had software ready for launch, as well as a jam packed 2021, and had shipped enough PS5's to break the PS4's launch record in many regions. 

That applies to both, the software is not the problem here, its the supply.

That sounds like another Microsoft issue to me. The PS5 is sold in more countries than the Series X, but the PS5 will likely sell 1.0 - 1.5+ Million more consoles than the PS4 when comparing their holiday launches, breaking all sorts of launch records worldwide, while the Series X can't even beat the XOne launch in NA. 

The PS5 would still be supply constrained if it launched in March and most likely be sold in even more countries like India simultaneously.



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Hiku said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Well, it's a ps4 game alright, not even a system seller in JP anymore. 

FF7R week in Japan saw a jump in PS4 sales to 79,059, from 19,535 the week before.

Pretty reasonable considering the system had been on the market for 6 years, and would get replaced later in the year, so most people that want one would have gotten one already.

Yeah, it will never be a system seller for ps5 in JP.



Third point: Japan has completly moved away from traditional home consoles ever since the psp, and the switch put the nail in the coffin for most.
At any rate, for cristmas presents its highly likely that most people are going for switches anyway.



PotentHerbs said:
Azzanation said:

That applies to both, the software is not the problem here, its the supply.

That sounds like another Microsoft issue to me. The PS5 is sold in more countries than the Series X, but the PS5 will likely sell 1.0 - 1.5+ Million more consoles than the PS4 when comparing their holiday launches, breaking all sorts of launch records worldwide, while the Series X can't even beat the XOne launch in NA. 

The PS5 would still be supply constrained if it launched in March and most likely be sold in even more countries like India simultaneously.

Dude, i don't know what conversation you are on about, this isn't about system sales, its about manufacturing issues led by short supply which is causing scalpers to basically buy out all the stock to resell. Hence the low attach rate of games mentioned in this thread. Scalping only happens when companies deliver short supply..

Both PS5 are Series X have been sold out at launch, and that was helped due to scalpers and bots. Games cannot sell high amounts if the consoles aren't in actual customer hands.



Azzanation said:

Dude, i don't know what conversation you are on about, this isn't about system sales, its about manufacturing issues led by short supply which is causing scalpers to basically buy out all the stock to resell. Hence the low attach rate of games mentioned in this thread. Scalping only happens when companies deliver short supply..

Both PS5 are Series X have been sold out at launch, and that was helped due to scalpers and bots. Games cannot sell high amounts if the consoles aren't in actual customer hands.

This article is taking Japanese software sales, excluding digital sales, and extrapolating it to the rest of the world. Now look at the weekly charts for NA/EU and compare it to Japan. Do you see the problem? Nothing about this article proves that scalping will impact software sales. 

As for your stock comment, or the whole PS5 and Series X launching at "their" state, really only applies to MS. Sony was ready for a 2020 launch. 

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Ka-pi96 said:

That's one possibility.

It's also possible that people are just buying PS4 games instead because there aren't any good PS5 games. Seriously, is there even a single good exclusive?

Eh, PS5 has a decent launch lineup in terms of exclusives, better than PS4 / Xbox One (admittedly a low bar). It might lack a game that could be considered an exclusive system seller, but the exclusive it has are pretty good.



wohufana said:

Should both Sony and Microsoft seriously consider March as viable release month for their next gen console so that enough supply is provided in the market and that their early adapters who are considered their most avid consumers will not suffer? Sony and its game developers will benefit a lot too.

Worth noting that the Switch did indeed release in March and it seems to have had no real impact on its sales, it is selling really well. In fact it might arguably be slightly better to release a console in spring as opposed to winter, as the extra months will allow for more games to come out.

The 3DS also seems to have released in March, and although initial sales were very poor, the system sellers of Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land plus the price cut seem to have saved it just in time.

Then again excluding the Switch hybrid console, no "proper" home console has launched outside the autumn/winter period since (depending on what region you live in):

Europe & Japan: The original Xbox (NA launch was in autumn, but JP/EU got it in spring 2002)
North America: The Sega Saturn! (May 1995)

I wonder if the huge flop of the Sega Saturn and its infamously rushed launch caused companies to be extremely averse to a home console launch outside autumn in North America. Even in Europe and Japan lanuches outside that period are rare.



Scalpers certainly aren’t helping but it is a little bit of a misnomer? Not entirely but partly at least?

Physical sales are down everywhere due to the shift to digital, that should make up some of the difference. Plus, aside from Demon’s Souls (which is a remake) there aren’t any big next gen exclusives yet.
Assassins Creed, Call of Duty, Spiderman, FIFA, Cyberpunk, Immortals, Yakuza, Watchdogs - all of this years big holidays releases are cross-gen, so it blurs its a bit.



Ka-pi96 said:

That's one possibility.

It's also possible that people are just buying PS4 games instead because there aren't any good PS5 games. Seriously, is there even a single good exclusive?

This, unlike the PS4/Switch, the PS5 is 99.99% BC with the previous Gen, including graphical improvment (Demon Souls is a great exclusive, although it isn’t for every one)

heck, right now Microsoft’s literally marketing the Series X/S as a BC machine due to the lack of Dedicated games at launch



tack50 said:

Worth noting that the Switch did indeed release in March and it seems to have had no real impact on its sales, it is selling really well. In fact it might arguably be slightly better to release a console in spring as opposed to winter, as the extra months will allow for more games to come out.

The 3DS also seems to have released in March, and although initial sales were very poor, the system sellers of Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land plus the price cut seem to have saved it just in time.

Then again excluding the Switch hybrid console, no "proper" home console has launched outside the autumn/winter period since (depending on what region you live in):

Europe & Japan: The original Xbox (NA launch was in autumn, but JP/EU got it in spring 2002)
North America: The Sega Saturn! (May 1995)

I wonder if the huge flop of the Sega Saturn and its infamously rushed launch caused companies to be extremely averse to a home console launch outside autumn in North America. Even in Europe and Japan lanuches outside that period are rare.

I think it is also worth noting that the PS2 was released in japan on March. This probably gave it a little room to have enough stock for the holidays in the rest of the world, here is a table of each Quarter for the PS2 (commulative)

DateAsia
(including Japan)
North AmericaEuropeWorldwide
March 31, 2000[2]1.41N/AN/A1.41
June 30, 2000[2]2.54N/AN/A2.54
September 30, 2000[2]3.52N/AN/A3.52
December 31, 2000[2]3.941.4616.4
March 31, 2001[2]4.753.012.8510.61

By the time the holidays came around it had already sold 3.5M units, I'm pretty sure this helped them with being able to keep up with demand. The PS5 has sold right now 3.7M units, and it is looking like it might reach around 4.5 for 2020. PS2 was able to sell 6.4 for the year 2000. 

These are the first 12 months of both the PS4 and the NS (month 1=January for both).

If you compare the PS4 first two months of launch(November+December) you get that it sold 4.2M compared to the NS Launch(March+April) that got 3.1M but if you look at the NS first holiday it sold 6M while if you look at the PS4 first March+April it was 1.6M.

So if you add the two periods for both you get that the PS4 sold 5.8M in those 4 months vs 9.1M of the NS.

I like the idea of being able to have a great launch month and then having another great period with the holidays. For this reason it makes sense to me that companies try to launch in March instead of November next time around.

But in the end it really comes down to how good the product is, PS4 and Wii sold great amounts on their first 12 months.

YearX360DSWiiPS3PSP3DSPSVWiiUPS4XONENS
15,094,7157,928,19614,519,7055,765,6387,460,52913,515,8973,468,5813,643,09013,210,6866,404,34915,071,420