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mZuzek said:
BraLoD said:

It's definifely not LoD because you certain loved it from the moment you first booted it up, right?

It's Nier Automata

Nier Automata was a game I almost didn't play as well, but gladly I did, such a masterpiece.



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BraLoD said:
mZuzek said:

It's Nier Automata

Nier Automata was a game I almost didn't play as well, but gladly I did, such a masterpiece.

Exactly here.



JWeinCom said:
Chazore said:

I almost want to ask people "have you ever tried death?. You can't say much about it unless you've tried it, because I know how batshit crazy that sounds, but that's what "you can't say shit unless you've touched it with two thumbs" sounds to me, as if using those things called eyes and ears aren't something you can use already to determine is something is good or not, let alone the tongue or nose for smelling and tasting.

I can't believe in all my years that I had to actually mention something so glaringly basic, on a site like this.

Imagine ignoring all of history, because it's easy to access and view for everyone to see, but because you didn't take part in a specific era of history, you don't get to judge the rest of history, like for real, that sounds completely fucking asinine and stupid.

Well, it sounds asinine and stupid, because it's a strawman argument, and that's what they're designed to be.

If you want to have people respect your opinion on something, you should do the best kind of research possible. In this case, playing the game is undoubtedly the best form of research you can do.

Our research ability is sometimes limited. For instance, I cannot fully investigate death, because the price of that investigation would be losing my life, and that's not a price I'm willing to pay. The price of researching TLOU2 would be spending 60 bucks, or whatever it is, and devoting however many hours it would take, which is a far more reasonable fee.

Which is not to say that you have to absolutely play it to have any opinion. I watched videos and read reviews of TLOU and decided based on that it wasn't the kind of game I'd enjoy, and that I wouldn't want to spend 60 dollars on it (which also applies to the sequel). I worked with what I had to make the most informed decision I could because obviously I can't buy and play everything, so I got to draw the line somewhere.

But the validity of my conclusions are going to be limited by the amount of research I did. Saying that it deserves or does not deserve to be GOTY is something I'm not going to say without having actually played the game. If I did, people would be perfectly justified in not taking my opinion very seriously.

I have the same instance for Halo, Zelda and most FPS. From what I saw from them and type of game I don't think I'll enjoy it enough to appreciate how good they are. So I limit myself to say I don't think they are that great and that I don't like what I see, but totally respect that are dozen million players that absolutely love those games and think they are the best ever created. So if comparing to a game I love I would also think the game I love is better from a subjective standpoint, but if being objective them I would need to go for technical analysis and decide case by case. Like I would compare Halo 5 to TLOU2 and no doubt TLOU2 comes ahead technically, HZD and Zelda I would say technically HZD comes ahead but when considering gameplay elements that are considered better on Zelda it could be a tie or even go to Zelda without myself felling bad for it, now Syphon Filter that I loved versus MGS that I couldn't stand at the time (and won't ever play the original again) it is set that MGS is a much better game.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

BraLoD said:
mZuzek said:

It's Nier Automata

Nier Automata was a game I almost didn't play as well, but gladly I did, such a masterpiece.

Same with me, wasn't to keen on playing it, and it started a little slow for the first couple hours but ended up liking it a lot.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JWeinCom said:

I certainly haven't deflected any criticism of TLOU2. As established, I haven't played the game so I generally don't know if any particular criticism is valid or not.

I don't know what being a mod has to do with anything. I have not moderated you, nor have I threatened to. And, I've never moderated anyone just for speaking negatively about a game they haven't played. Not speaking for other mods, but my response to you was simply in my personal capacity telling you that I found your analogy to be shitty. Which is demonstrated by the fact that you can't actually defend it in any meaningful way except to point at other people.

As explained, you can indeed make a decision based on reviews or lets plays or whatever. In deciding whether or not to buy the game, that's the best information you could get (unless you can play it for free) so you got to go with it. That's what I did. But, since I only read reviews and watched gameplay videos, I recognize that my information is limited, and won't make any statement more bold than "I didn't think I'd enjoy it based on what I saw/read". Generally, if I haven't played a game, I'm not going to comment on its overall quality. Which again, isn't a an official rule, but I think a pretty sensible way to act. 

I'm assuming you'd agree the best way to have an informed opinion on a game is to play it. Watching videos of it would be a very distant second. Reading/listening to the assessment of someone who has played the game is a really distant third. Reading the assessment of someone who has only watched the game and read accounts from players is an incredibly distant fourth. 

No, I wasn't referring to threat of moderation, but more of you having these kind of talks with those who "spoke ill" (which is what I'm getting from you and 3 others in this thread so far) of games they haven't played on other platforms (PC included, and there's a lot on this site who don't play on PC for that matter, ergo, not having played those games that never touched consoles).

For another, yes I actually can, just saying "your shitty analogy" and "can't defend it", doesn't make it so. You and 3 others, who all just happen to love this one game, and defend it to bits, think it's "fucking shitty".

Information is only as limited as what you decide to look for and how long for. There are plenty of LP's on Youtube and other sites, giving you literal start to end, full cheevos, full walkthroughs to give you every nook and cranny of story to watch. Again, you chose to look for a few, and thus your information is limited in scope, no ifs or buts, it is limited in scope due to your choices.

I haven't participated in American voting, yet I'm able and right to comment on how shitty it's turnout was, or the riots that followed afterwards, and I'm not even from the US. People on here freely shit on PC's games because it's all "MMO's and RTS", without having played many a game on there, let alone those two types of genres, and yet they freely are able to toss out whatever ill informed comment they make.

No, I do not agree, because I'm actually able to find information I want and when I choose to. Just because you didn't, doesn't change my opinion, and from our previous interaction, I can tell you and me are going to disagree a lot, so I'm just going to leave it at that. 



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Chazore said:
JWeinCom said:

I certainly haven't deflected any criticism of TLOU2. As established, I haven't played the game so I generally don't know if any particular criticism is valid or not.

I don't know what being a mod has to do with anything. I have not moderated you, nor have I threatened to. And, I've never moderated anyone just for speaking negatively about a game they haven't played. Not speaking for other mods, but my response to you was simply in my personal capacity telling you that I found your analogy to be shitty. Which is demonstrated by the fact that you can't actually defend it in any meaningful way except to point at other people.

As explained, you can indeed make a decision based on reviews or lets plays or whatever. In deciding whether or not to buy the game, that's the best information you could get (unless you can play it for free) so you got to go with it. That's what I did. But, since I only read reviews and watched gameplay videos, I recognize that my information is limited, and won't make any statement more bold than "I didn't think I'd enjoy it based on what I saw/read". Generally, if I haven't played a game, I'm not going to comment on its overall quality. Which again, isn't a an official rule, but I think a pretty sensible way to act. 

I'm assuming you'd agree the best way to have an informed opinion on a game is to play it. Watching videos of it would be a very distant second. Reading/listening to the assessment of someone who has played the game is a really distant third. Reading the assessment of someone who has only watched the game and read accounts from players is an incredibly distant fourth. 

No, I wasn't referring to threat of moderation, but more of you having these kind of talks with those who "spoke ill" (which is what I'm getting from you and 3 others in this thread so far) of games they haven't played on other platforms (PC included, and there's a lot on this site who don't play on PC for that matter, ergo, not having played those games that never touched consoles).

For another, yes I actually can, just saying "your shitty analogy" and "can't defend it", doesn't make it so. You and 3 others, who all just happen to love this one game, and defend it to bits, think it's "fucking shitty".

Information is only as limited as what you decide to look for and how long for. There are plenty of LP's on Youtube and other sites, giving you literal start to end, full cheevos, full walkthroughs to give you every nook and cranny of story to watch. Again, you chose to look for a few, and thus your information is limited in scope, no ifs or buts, it is limited in scope due to your choices.

I haven't participated in American voting, yet I'm able and right to comment on how shitty it's turnout was, or the riots that followed afterwards, and I'm not even from the US. People on here freely shit on PC's games because it's all "MMO's and RTS", without having played many a game on there, let alone those two types of genres, and yet they freely are able to toss out whatever ill informed comment they make.

No, I do not agree, because I'm actually able to find information I want and when I choose to. Just because you didn't, doesn't change my opinion, and from our previous interaction, I can tell you and me are going to disagree a lot, so I'm just going to leave it at that. 

 People on here freely shit on PC's games because it's all "MMO's and RTS", without having played many a game on there, let alone those two types of genres, and yet they freely are able to toss out whatever ill informed comment they make.

So then you agree that comments made by people who haven't experience something are ill informed. Great! Feel free to explain to them why their opinion is not valuable as I'm doing now. But, that means your opinion is also ill informed.

Your analogy is shitty because it's shitty. As explained you are comparing a situation, death, where we cannot possibly experience it to judge for ourselves, to a game, where we can easily experience it. I explained this, but apparently, you didn't get it because you made pretty much the same shitty analogy again. Turnout is a statistic and something I literally cannot experience. The best, and literally only way, we can evaluate something like turnout, is by looking up the statistics. The fact that I voted in the election in no way makes me more informed about the overall turnout. 

That's why this is a shitty analogy(ies). Sometimes we have to make decisions on something without reasonably being able to experience it, but if it's feasible and we want to be taken seriously, we should actually experience the thing. Suppose for $30 dollars one could try out death for five hours, see what its like, and return to life. If someone who hadn't taken the death demo was trying to tell me what death was like, I wouldn't care about their opinion. 

I'm sorry I assumed you would agree to the rational statement that playing a game is the best way to have an informed opinion on it. I assumed you would take the rational position, and not advocate for one that is completely absurd. And it is absolutely absurd. It is impossible to transmit an experience completely and perfectly. Something has to be lost at each level. You could potential argue that seeing a game is "good enough" which would be questionable, but arguing that seeing a game being played is as good as playing it is batshit.

And that's probably why you're getting the response you're getting from other mods. I haven't discussed it with them, but it's possible they find your position to be so absurd that they're probing to see if you're serious or trolling. We do that sometimes. Whatever the motivation though, they and I are giving actual responses, and giving you a chance to respond. So, try giving a good reasoned argument instead of just complaining that everyone who expects one is just biased or a big ol' meanie.

It is quite telling that you cut off my post at the question, because it exposes how irrational your position is. The obvious answer is no, you would not accept a review from someone who has not played a game. You would not consider theirs to be a properly informed opinion, and by the same token, nobody should consider yours to be. 

You don't have to respond (speaking for myself here, other mods may feel that if you're going to continue insisting people take you seriously you need some sort of justification) but feel free to prove me wrong by saying you would accept a review from someone who has not played a game but has watched very thorough walkthroughs. Because if you wouldn't, then you are acknowledging that videos are not a substitute for playing. And if you would, I guess we'll get a good chuckle.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 08 February 2021

DonFerrari said:
BraLoD said:

Nier Automata was a game I almost didn't play as well, but gladly I did, such a masterpiece.

Same with me, wasn't to keen on playing it, and it started a little slow for the first couple hours but ended up liking it a lot.

It really didn't interest me pre release, I played the demo and found the combat quite good but the game felt like it would be pretty bland and if the combat was all there was to it I would skip it.

We had Nioh, Horizon and Persona coming all close together and Nier really didn't catch my eye so I didn't pick it up at launch like I did with those, but @estebxx kept telling me how good it was (he was hyping it to me since before launch) and later in 2017 I went and picked it up, and boy oh boy that thing was amazing.

It's one of my 10/10 this past gen. Absolute masterpiece.



Chazore said:
JWeinCom said:

I certainly haven't deflected any criticism of TLOU2. As established, I haven't played the game so I generally don't know if any particular criticism is valid or not.

I don't know what being a mod has to do with anything. I have not moderated you, nor have I threatened to. And, I've never moderated anyone just for speaking negatively about a game they haven't played. Not speaking for other mods, but my response to you was simply in my personal capacity telling you that I found your analogy to be shitty. Which is demonstrated by the fact that you can't actually defend it in any meaningful way except to point at other people.

As explained, you can indeed make a decision based on reviews or lets plays or whatever. In deciding whether or not to buy the game, that's the best information you could get (unless you can play it for free) so you got to go with it. That's what I did. But, since I only read reviews and watched gameplay videos, I recognize that my information is limited, and won't make any statement more bold than "I didn't think I'd enjoy it based on what I saw/read". Generally, if I haven't played a game, I'm not going to comment on its overall quality. Which again, isn't a an official rule, but I think a pretty sensible way to act. 

I'm assuming you'd agree the best way to have an informed opinion on a game is to play it. Watching videos of it would be a very distant second. Reading/listening to the assessment of someone who has played the game is a really distant third. Reading the assessment of someone who has only watched the game and read accounts from players is an incredibly distant fourth. 

No, I wasn't referring to threat of moderation, but more of you having these kind of talks with those who "spoke ill" (which is what I'm getting from you and 3 others in this thread so far) of games they haven't played on other platforms (PC included, and there's a lot on this site who don't play on PC for that matter, ergo, not having played those games that never touched consoles).

For another, yes I actually can, just saying "your shitty analogy" and "can't defend it", doesn't make it so. You and 3 others, who all just happen to love this one game, and defend it to bits, think it's "fucking shitty".

Information is only as limited as what you decide to look for and how long for. There are plenty of LP's on Youtube and other sites, giving you literal start to end, full cheevos, full walkthroughs to give you every nook and cranny of story to watch. Again, you chose to look for a few, and thus your information is limited in scope, no ifs or buts, it is limited in scope due to your choices.

I haven't participated in American voting, yet I'm able and right to comment on how shitty it's turnout was, or the riots that followed afterwards, and I'm not even from the US. People on here freely shit on PC's games because it's all "MMO's and RTS", without having played many a game on there, let alone those two types of genres, and yet they freely are able to toss out whatever ill informed comment they make.

No, I do not agree, because I'm actually able to find information I want and when I choose to. Just because you didn't, doesn't change my opinion, and from our previous interaction, I can tell you and me are going to disagree a lot, so I'm just going to leave it at that. 

I have played about 60h of TLOU2 to plat it, and read some reviews and participated in some discussions about the game. Are you seriously trying to say you put more hours researching for this game without playing? Even though you have no interest in playing it? Confess you just searched for negative opinions and pig back on them without really knowing if they are true issues or just the opinion of others you decided to carry over?

BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

Same with me, wasn't to keen on playing it, and it started a little slow for the first couple hours but ended up liking it a lot.

It really didn't interest me pre release, I played the demo and found the combat quite good but the game felt like it would be pretty bland and if the combat was all there was to it I would skip it.

We had Nioh, Horizon and Persona coming all close together and Nier really didn't catch my eye so I didn't pick it up at launch like I did with those, but @estebxx kept telling me how good it was (he was hyping it to me since before launch) and later in 2017 I went and picked it up, and boy oh boy that thing was amazing.

It's one of my 10/10 this past gen. Absolute masterpiece.

My problem on starting it I don't think had to do with the games that launched close to it, I think it was more like "never heard of it and most jrpg I played didn't impacted me besides FF" I think it was like that at that moment. Then I was at a moment of low backlog and tried it and liked. Can't remember for sure but I think it was this. I probably bought it for like 10USD in a travel on the basis of "metacritic isn't to low and price is very good, may as well try it".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Congrats to ND. I wholeheartedly disagree, but critics lulz. I think “most awarded ever” will be happening more and more as there are more and more websites and polls and reader/viewer votes. I haven’t looked at the list, do they count big Youtubers etc?

Like imagine the GOAT Metal Gear Solid with the amount of media there is now. Or Ocarina.



BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

Same with me, wasn't to keen on playing it, and it started a little slow for the first couple hours but ended up liking it a lot.

It really didn't interest me pre release, I played the demo and found the combat quite good but the game felt like it would be pretty bland and if the combat was all there was to it I would skip it.

We had Nioh, Horizon and Persona coming all close together and Nier really didn't catch my eye so I didn't pick it up at launch like I did with those, but @estebxx kept telling me how good it was (he was hyping it to me since before launch) and later in 2017 I went and picked it up, and boy oh boy that thing was amazing.

It's one of my 10/10 this past gen. Absolute masterpiece.

so true.

Last of Us 2 has the best quality on the videogame-market in my opinion.

"The Last of Us 2 has won the most awards of any game so far according to a game of the year tracker".
  • The Last of Us Part II - 285
  • Media Outlets: 181 | Readers' Choice: 104
This is the result now, worldwide. Fantastic and impressiv game, my Gratulation.



"The Last of Us 2" is officially the Game with the most Game of the Year Awards in video game history worldwide, voted by millions Players and Magazines. My Gratulation :) My personally Dream-Game is "Ghost of Tsushima".