Well technically we are already off to a bad start if the rumours are true. The fact they diced off the Multiplayer and plan on reselling again to its Audience. Games use to include both modes at $60. TLOU2 is going to cost $120 with both SP and MP. Maybe $130 if Sony plans on charging $70 for it.

Clearly you didn't read sales2099's post, which I was responding to. Or the entire thread in general. Halo Infinite was mentioned 43 times in this thread. Gears 5 was mentioned over 160 times. Everyone in this thread pretty much understood where the conversation had turned to, except you. You are simply trying to strawman by way of a quotemine. 

A bunch of digital skins isn't comparable to the things that come with TLoU Ellie edition. Here's what you get for $250...

Quotemine, what an adorable term. You said something stupid and got called out on it, hope that helps. Doesn’t matter what game you were referring to, you were wrong anyway.

And wow look at all that stuff that you don’t get in your $60 LoU2 purchase. Gotta pay $250 for the “complete experience” or whatever you said. Wow that sucks. I guess $100 in completely optional skins is like a bargain in comparison. We are humbled.

No, that's poverty, you insensitive [redacted]. Not everyone can afford a 600 dollar console just to play one game. I had to claw and scrape and scrounge and call in favours people owed me just to get a PS5, I'm not doing all that again for a console that's gonna have like, 3-5 games worth owning in its lifetime. And seriously? we've been over this dozens of times: I like Sony because they actually have games on their consoles, they actually try new things, they actually have soul and spirit in their work. Xbox is just the holy trinity again and again. The Xbox Series X is just the Xbox One with more teraflops. There's no innovation, there's no games. Microsoft should go third party and be done with it because they have no interest in getting enough variety to sustain their platform. 

I am surprised you wouldn't empathize with me saying paying $180 for all the games I can play with day 1 first party. I didn’t mean to call that out like that, but I’m surprised that my motivation doesn’t register with you either. Perhaps things like mobile streaming and Xbox All Access can remedy your situation if the brand somehow appeals to you in the future. At least you got that option. 

You are totally me but on the other end. You say Xbox only does the Trinity, I say they got plenty variety now with Avowed, Fable, Hellblade 2, Bethesda, etc. While Sony is ironically enough the sequel machine with Horizon, GoW, Ratchet, and GT7 next year. 

(To any mods, sorry for going off topic. He called me out and won’t stand for that). 

You know the main difference between you and I? You've already determined that Avowed is a system seller despite it not being out yet, you're already 100% convinced of the future despite everything in the past not fuelling that narrative. You've already decided that everything in the past 10 years means nothing and you're treating the future as certain whereas I am not. 

I'm not saying Returnal or Kena are going to be absolute bangers. I don't think FFXVI is going to be an instant hit yet just because it's a PS5 exclusive (at least timed exclusive). All my arguments and my points of view come from history, patterns, and proven track records. Insomniac is going to knock it out of the park with Ratchet & Clank because they always do and are coming off a studio high with Spider-Man. the New God of War is going to be great because the last one was. When was the last time Fable was good? When was the last time Microsoft successfully launched a new franchise? I ask because Sony did so with Horizon and that game was a critical and commercial success. 

And you know the difference? Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne, and so many other Sony franchises are absent of loot boxes and microtransactions whereas stuff like Forza, Halo, and Gears are littered with microtransactions. Gran Turismo has them, sure, but that's one franchise out of dozens. Microsoft's three MAIN franchises are littered with them, and yet still you find that okay. 

I criticize Sony a lot. Sony has a LOT of shit I don't like or outright hate or think is overrated as hell. I can't stand The Last of us, I think gran Turismo and MLB the Show are bland, boring, repetitive, uninteresting games. I think Uncharted is one of the most overrated franchises in history and I outright HATE the PS2/3 God of War games...but even if you cut all these games out of the equation, there's still plenty of top-selling, critically acclaimed games with enough variety to please me and clearly many others. Oh, and very few of Sony's games have microtransactions of any sort. If you don't like Shooting games or racing games, you might as well not even have an Xbox, becuase that's basically all they have outside of Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Sea of Thieves. 

We're nothing alike, and the fact that you can't differentiate our styles and perspectives shows how blind you really are. and the fact that I've been banned for criticizing Microsoft/Xbox too hard shows that you are a minority in need of protection. or that there's a gross bias on this forum. Either way, time will tell what method works better, single-player third-person story-driven games without microtransactions or multiplayer focused games with tonnes of microtransactions and monthly fees, just like it has been for the last fucking decade. 

How come you don't like UC, TLOU anf GT? I'll remove our friendship =p ... tastes are really something that vary so much among people.