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shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:
So the guy didn't do anything wrong, we got evidence that the woman was the one in the wrong, but he ends up losing and screwed? Ok.

Yeah, I also find it ridiculous. He offered plenty of evidence that she was the one abusing him, including photos of damage that she inflicted and a recording of her admitting to hitting him and saying that she couldn't promise that she wouldn't hit him again in the future. So either they're both right, and they basically took turns physically and verbally abusing each other, or Amber is straight up lying, and people only believed her lies because of MeToo, and now Johnny, the real victim of abuse, gets to lose his career while she gets glorified.

People conveniently forget that both man and woman are capable of terrible acts.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
shikamaru317 said:

Yeah, I also find it ridiculous. He offered plenty of evidence that she was the one abusing him, including photos of damage that she inflicted and a recording of her admitting to hitting him and saying that she couldn't promise that she wouldn't hit him again in the future. So either they're both right, and they basically took turns physically and verbally abusing each other, or Amber is straight up lying, and people only believed her lies because of MeToo, and now Johnny, the real victim of abuse, gets to lose his career while she gets glorified.

People conveniently forget that both man and woman are capable of terrible acts.

Thankfully he still has one last chance for fair treatment and justice. The case that he lost was against the tabloid newspaper who published Amber's story of abuse by Johnny, but he still has his personal lawsuit against Amber that will be held next year here in my state in the US. Here's hoping that the truth will out, whatever the truth may be, two way abuse, or abuse by Amber alone. If he can prove that she abused him and then lied and claimed she was the victim of abuse, it would be pretty shitty of the movie studios to continue blacklisting him after that, though sadly I wouldn't put it past them.



shikamaru317 said:

Yeah, I also find it ridiculous. He offered plenty of evidence that she was the one abusing him, including photos of damage that she inflicted and a recording of her admitting to hitting him and saying that she couldn't promise that she wouldn't hit him again in the future. So either they're both right, and they basically took turns physically and verbally abusing each other, or Amber is straight up lying, and people only believed her lies because of MeToo, and now Johnny, the real victim of abuse, gets to lose his career while she gets glorified. I'm not sure which of the two options is the truth, but the possibility that it's the 2nd option makes me sick to my stomach.

Technically speaking, whether or not Heard was also abusing Depp wasn't an issue in the libel case - it was purely about whether or not Depp's behavior made it accurate to describe him as a "wife-beater". And the judge decided it was.



shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:

People conveniently forget that both man and woman are capable of terrible acts.

Thankfully he still has one last chance for fair treatment and justice. The case that he lost was against the tabloid newspaper who published Amber's story of abuse by Johnny, but he still has his personal lawsuit against Amber that will be held next year here in my state in the US. Here's hoping that the truth will out, whatever the truth may be, two way abuse, or abuse by Amber alone. If he can prove that she abused him and then lied and claimed she was the victim of abuse, it would be pretty shitty of the movie studios to continue blacklisting him after that, though sadly I wouldn't put it past them.

That is another point that is to lighten. Sure we have to preserve freedom of speech and press, but just to often press will make false stories and claim it came from "trusted source" (just like the rumors we get for gaming all the time) and that is enough for them to publish almost anything. Worse yet, if any news chain reports something all the rest will copy and paste without any verification and there you have.

This week on the judgement of a potential rape, the defendant was found not guilty. Basically the claim from victm and prosecution was that she was drugged/alcoholized and so incapable of agreeing. But forensic evidence showed no sign of any drugs or alcohol, no alteration of mind state, after the sexual act she was tapped walking normally with high heel on uneven road, texting with friends and all. There are evidence that both had sex (semen was found, and possibility of virginity loss). And since she claim she have no recollection of the time from some hours before and after the act you can't really claim "I don't mind because I was drugged, but if I wasn't drugged then I refused". When all was accounted for the defendant was found acquainted on base of insuficient evidence (basically in dubio pro reu). One newspaper run with the "rape in second degree" or whatever name USA would use for when you don't have the intention of commiting the crime, this charge doesn't exist in Brazil so they were heavily criticizing it, later when some small independent newspaper reviewed the full sentence there was nothing on rape in second degree, there was only the acquaintance based on lack of evidence. Of course when the original news confesed they invented it because that was to show the intent of the ruling, they didn't got hard hitted by the other media (that also didn't care to double check that original news).

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duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I'm sure Warner wants to kick him for quite sometime already

We didn't even know he was in the cast of FB1, I got surprised to discover this few days before the premiere. It was an absolutely dumb move even by the very low Warner standards

Fantastic Beasts 1 turns out to be nice, but public opinion about him was not good, they still went forward and let him to play in the (very bad) Fantastic Beasts 2. This move ended not only being the worst Potter movie box office wise, but was received with lukewarm reception that really put the series in a dangerous zone

It's not helping JK Rowlling keeps undermining Trans people rights on her personal Twitter, and doing so actively teasing LGBT activists. Ezra Miller's was also filmed physically attacking a women in a street.

With a fandom mostly composed of millenials I don't need to say the image of Potter franchise is slowly being tarnished after so much controversies.

Covid outbreaker made FB3 (a movie already not heavily anticipated) got one more year delay, JK's Wizard World seems in a very delicate position now



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DonFerrari said:
So the guy didn't do anything wrong, we got evidence that the woman was the one in the wrong, but he ends up losing and screwed? Ok.

I think that the Judge agreed that 12 of 14 cases of domestic violence published by Newspaper were very likely true.  Is that not wrong in your Universe?



OneTime said:
DonFerrari said:
So the guy didn't do anything wrong, we got evidence that the woman was the one in the wrong, but he ends up losing and screwed? Ok.

I think that the Judge agreed that 12 of 14 cases of domestic violence published by Newspaper were very likely true.  Is that not wrong in your Universe?

"likely true"? And here I though there was something like beyond resonable doubt. In which universe there is public evidence that he suffers abuse, we don't real evidence that he abused her, but yes he have to pay for it?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
OneTime said:

I think that the Judge agreed that 12 of 14 cases of domestic violence published by Newspaper were very likely true.  Is that not wrong in your Universe?

"likely true"? And here I though there was something like beyond resonable doubt. In which universe there is public evidence that he suffers abuse, we don't real evidence that he abused her, but yes he have to pay for it?

I think it's beyond reasonable doubt for any sane person.  Yes, he's a piece of dirt who is guilty as hell.  "She did it too" stops working as an excuse when you get to age 12 (not that I think she'd have the strength to actually physically hurt him - and he has the money to walk out at any point he wants if she's nagging him too much)



OneTime said:
DonFerrari said:

"likely true"? And here I though there was something like beyond resonable doubt. In which universe there is public evidence that he suffers abuse, we don't real evidence that he abused her, but yes he have to pay for it?

I think it's beyond reasonable doubt for any sane person.  Yes, he's a piece of dirt who is guilty as hell.  "She did it too" stops working as an excuse when you get to age 12 (not that I think she'd have the strength to actually physically hurt him - and he has the money to walk out at any point he wants if she's nagging him too much)

So are you calling me and anyone that want proof insane? Plus going that well even if she done he is worse because he is a man? Congrats. Must be because of this type of thinking that courtroom and judicial system needs to give so much leeway to potential criminals, because if left for you to judge you would execute someone based on hearsay already.

You may not like but "she started" is a very valid and used self-defense claim. So unless you have access to everything that happened you can't possibly judge one or the other as abuser or victm.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
OneTime said:

I think it's beyond reasonable doubt for any sane person.  Yes, he's a piece of dirt who is guilty as hell.  "She did it too" stops working as an excuse when you get to age 12 (not that I think she'd have the strength to actually physically hurt him - and he has the money to walk out at any point he wants if she's nagging him too much)

So are you calling me and anyone that want proof insane? Plus going that well even if she done he is worse because he is a man? Congrats. Must be because of this type of thinking that courtroom and judicial system needs to give so much leeway to potential criminals, because if left for you to judge you would execute someone based on hearsay already.

He just lost in a multi-million dollar trial, so some part of you is in denial about something.  No, I don't believe that she is guilty - men with that much money don't put up with a little nagging unless they enjoy it for some reason.